AMR also believes that the west pilots case is ripe!

[Bringupthebird]

Perhaps the judge needs to understand the the Nic is not the extreme position of the west and DOH is the extreme of the east. The Nic is the middle, it is the compromise between east and west, and DOH is the extreme from which compromise needs to be made.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The voting results of the MOU reflect the weakened position that USAPA's behavior put the pilot group in, not a referendum on the quality of the deal. USAPA made this group irrelevant.The MOU simply gave an irrelevant group a few bucks and a pat on the head.

 

[Crzipilot]

Ok, as to AOL. and who they are. 19 people. But do they not continue to certified class status, so as to enjoin all of you in their little trip through the legal system? that in itself would lead me to believe that you have agreed to allow them to speak for you. Don't know if there is a way, but isn't there an option for individuals to essentially say "don't include me in that class" If so, have you done so.....or does AOL speak for you?

Not saying that anyone is going to redo the arbitrators work. Just saying, as Silver is warming up to, that he NIC is a non-event, and going the way of the dinosaur.

As the hearing, uhmmmm.....ya hearing, and she sent out an order.......which she specifically said in the transcripts, her previous order back from the prev. hearing she told both parties to sit down and negotiate. In the transcript she talks of not wanting to have to reissue her order, under the pretense of the lawyers ignoring her orders.

Multiple times she told marty, the nic was moot. so what's the next step fellas? How 'bout the nic applying inside PHX, the rest, whatever APA and USAPA comes up with........that sounds fair.

 

[Crzipilot]

BUTB....

I wish I was on whatever your on........I can't really see how you interpret the transcripts how you have. I guess the Judge is still going to give you the NIC award.....

 

[Bringupthebird]

Not saying that anyone is going to redo the arbitrators work. Just saying, as Silver is warming up to, that he NIC is a non-event, and going the way of the dinosaur.

As the hearing, uhmmmm.....ya hearing, and she sent out an order.......which she specifically said in the transcripts, her previous order back from the prev. hearing she told both parties to sit down and negotiate. In the transcript she talks of not wanting to have to reissue her order, under the pretense of the lawyers ignoring her orders.

Multiple times she told marty, the nic was moot. so what's the next step fellas? How 'bout the nic applying inside PHX, the rest, whatever APA and USAPA comes up with........that sounds fair.

CRZI- Why not have some 3rd party read the transcripts to you. She said what the 9th said, that while the Nic is not a mandatory negotiating position, it must at least be considered and if rejected it must have a LUP to justify it's rejection (not simply "we don't think it's fair").

HOWEVER, the rejection of the Nic as a negotiating position does not absolve them of the responsibility for the final agreement to conform to the same advantage to the west as the Nicolau list. IOW, negotiate whatever you like, but the results better be Nic or better for the west or the DFR becomes unquestionably ripe.

 

[TWA Dude]

Ok, as to AOL. and who they are. 19 people. But do they not continue to certified class status, so as to enjoin all of you in their little trip through the legal system?

One may always file to be excluded from a class. In fact, the class is required to inform you of that option. To my knowledge zero have opted out.

Given the record of the leaders Easties have elected I can understand your confusion here. The fact is, we trust the path AOL is taking and the funding (and 98% vote as recommended) proves this. I personally know most of the AOL group members and I've never felt the need to tell them anything.

so what's the next step fellas?

See you in court.

 

[Crzipilot]

So there you go. You have representation. Now do as the good judge said and find seething other than the NIC that's acceptable. She already told Marty she doesn't want to hear that all he said is NIC or nothing.

Butb
Your putting words in the judges mouth. Nowhere did she say whatever the list is must as advantageous to the west as the NIC is. Please tell me what page and line she says that in the transcript. Maybe have your lawyer read it to you and describe how it's going to be the NIC. If it is so. Why did she not lay down the injunction. Why is she forcing the meeting?

The award was supposed to not be a windfall. Yet here you are describing the NIC as advantageous to the west.....

 

[Bringupthebird]

Butb
Your putting words in the judges mouth. Nowhere did she say whatever the list is must as advantageous to the west as the NIC is. Please tell me what page and line she says that in the transcript. Maybe have your lawyer read it to you and describe how it's going to be the NIC. If it is so. Why did she not lay down the injunction. Why is she forcing the meeting?

The award was supposed to not be a windfall. Yet here you are describing the NIC as advantageous to the west.....

She said the 9th is always right (I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of that) and that is precisely what the 9th said. They clearly delineated the freedom to negotiate from the responsibility of the result to not disadvantage the west.

You obviously aren't intellectually equipped to discuss this. Put your head down on your desk and we'll wake you when it's over.

 

[TWA Dude]

Now do as the good judge said and find seething other than the NIC that's acceptable. She already told Marty she doesn't want to hear that all he said is NIC or nothing.

Once again, you're not understanding the proceedings. Tuesday was only a hearing and the only order was for more briefs. She has not ordered us to negotiate and if she does the result will be nil. We already negotiated once before and the Nic was the result. The likely outcomes are either granting an injunction or dismissing the case. If it's the latter the struggle against your malevolence is far from over.

 

[Crzipilot]

Don't have time to pull the transcript. But she took both lawyers to task for not sitting down and coming up with a compromise. I believe this might be why it's rumored ferguson and koontz were at hq with Marty. Seigal and Usapa.

Now if your going back to the ninth and quoting them. Then you should also agree that the case is not ripe. And Usapa is free to negotiate. Not until a final sli. Is completed and the big picture taken into full account. (What extra pay. Security retirement etc). Will they be able to factually determine if the west was harmed by Usapa actions.

I know it's hard for butb to stop taking snipets of orders and using that small piece to sound favorable to his arguement. But you really should read the whole thing. Some people call it denial. And never come out of it