SWA culture!

[texman]

Here we all are, happy as can be.

 

[Ty Webb]

I feel a rude awaking is on the way. Kwick & Ty will be the most upset trannies out there.

Tell me, SWAFO-

Have you ever read an arbitrated decision that bumped existing captains out of their seats? For that matter, have you ever read an arbitrated decision, period?

Don't be stupid, you think SWA Management will turn their back on their "hired" employees?

Do you think that maybe you might be seen as turning your back on your own company?

You think this is ONLY a Pilot issue?

Thanks for helping me illustrate my point.

Don't push it Ty, be smart. Or you might "out smart" yourself out of a great opportunity.

Same to you, my friend, same to you. Hope that some greedy FO's don't screw up a reasonable agreement. Your Captains are the ones with te most at risk if it goes to Arbitration.

The first time I heard the term Tranny/Trannies it came from one of your Captains

Yeah, I guess it's OK then to try to use it as a perjorative.

You might want to look that word up in the dictionary. You'll find it between "date of hire" and "relative".

:laugh:

 

[Cometman]

No one should lose their present position or relative seniority!

I am not with either airline but if you really believe that a 5-6 year Captain with Airtran will become a SWA Captain and fly with a SWA co-pilot with 9-10 years and still get all the other benefits you are really dreaming. You might keep your seat for X number of years but then you will lose it if your new seniority cannot hold it. You think US Airways has problems? GK will never allow it at SWA. Remember, you are only 1700 against 6000. Who do you think GK wants to be happy. Besides, only half of the 1700 would be unhappy. GK will have 90% of the pilots happy and only 10% bitching. The way you dream, GK would have 10% happy and 90% unhappy. You decide which way GK wants it to go.

 

[Dash Power]

I am not with either airline but if you really believe that a 5-6 year Captain with Airtran will become a SWA Captain and fly with a SWA co-pilot with 9-10 years and still get all the other benefits you are really dreaming. You might keep your seat for X number of years but then you will lose it if your new seniority cannot hold it. You think US Airways has problems? GK will never allow it at SWA. Remember, you are only 1700 against 6000. Who do you think GK wants to be happy. Besides, only half of the 1700 would be unhappy. GK will have 90% of the pilots happy and only 10% bitching. The way you dream, GK would have 10% happy and 90% unhappy. You decide which way GK wants it to go.

And that is how you do the math with common sense.

Well said.

 

[tankerhead]

OK, refresh me.

What's the math of the pissed-off percentages with pure DOH?

 

[SWA/FO]

Ty you're truly going to be "lucky" if you ever make the list.

You keep forgetting who is drving this thing. You have zero leverage. Zero. You think arbitration is going to hand everything to da trannies? What are you smoking?

 

[Ty Webb]

So, let me get this straight . . .

SWAPA signs the Process Agreement they negotiated "in good faith", then

SWAPA doesn't like the results of the process that they negotiated and agreed to abide by, so

SWAPA goes to Gary Kelly and asks him to "save" them from the results of the agreement they themselves negotiated and signed . . . . or they are going to -what- hold the whole airline hostage . . . . in the name of "saving the culture"? :erm:

Oh, and you want SWA management to ignore existing law, repudiate statements made to shareholders, and reneg on documents signed with AirTran and ATN71, all because you're upset you didn't get to take away an AirTran Captain's seat? :erm:

Some of you guys need to find a new mullah to get your bullet points from. :laugh:

 

[GuppyWN]

I still think we'll negotiate the SLI.

When Gary and Mike VdV and Joe H and every other management type actively involved in this tells you (Airtran) they want this settled instead of arbitrated that's what they mean.

We'll (the NC's) will know a lot more after this next week.

Gup

 

[PRINCE AKEEM]

As a Propagandist, Baghdad Bob, you're an abject failure.

Every time you make a post like this, you probably piss off one or two more AAI pilots enough for them to pick up the phone and tell their Reps to "take it to the mat", followed by telling five or six of their coworkers, "Can you believe that those jackasses are calling us "Trannies" and saying we would be happy with a staple?".

Keep it up, you're doing great work, Bobby Boy. :laugh:

Correction Ty. Around the smoking lounge, YOUR name is the only one continually brought up. Unlike your ego leads you to believe, it's never very pleasant.

 

[Ty Webb]

I agree, Gup.

While we're talking math, simple math says that the Captains at each airline are going to have to vote "yes" in order to get a majority, and I don't know of any AAI Captains that are going to vote themselves out of a seat.

 

[Ty Webb]

Correction Ty. Around the smoking lounge, YOUR name is the only one continually brought up. Unlike your ego leads you to believe, it's never very pleasant.

Thanks for your contribution on that subject. It's been saved, along with the others.

 

[GuppyWN]

I agree, Gup.

While we're talking math, simple math says that the Captains at each airline are going to have to vote "yes" in order to get a majority, and I don't know of any AAI Captains that are going to vote themselves out of a seat.

While you might be right that's only 11% of the combined numbers.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

While you might be right that's only 11% of the combined numbers.

Gup

Not sure what you're saying, Gup. It has to pass each pilot group separately, so where does 11% come into play?

 

[Dash Power]

OK, refresh me.

What's the math of the pissed-off percentages with pure DOH?

Conservatively that would be at least 78%. I did not include any Airtran pilots.

All of the SWA pilots would be pissed-off. Including all of us "senior" Captains that would experience a very low bump in relative seniority. Family first.

 

[Dash Power]

Not sure what you're saying, Gup. It has to pass each pilot group separately, so where does 11% come into play?

Very easy to rationalize how this number is derived. Does it really need to be demonstrated?