SWA culture!

[greenpilot]

If you invested $1000 in Alaska 2 years ago and $1000 in swa 2 years ago. Your alaska investment would be worth 4 times more then your swa investment. I think to the avg investor stock price means a lot more then market cap. when it comes time to sell your stock market cap means nothing.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Do they pay pilots at ALK in stock? Or do they get stock options or stock as part of their retirement?

 

[Black Sheep]

its funny how a union pilot can rationalize taking work from other people. I guess that's a reflection of today's generation.

In my day a union man never took work from another person.

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[Dan Roman]

Dan, ......I characterizing you...... you characterized yourself as the guy that thinks helping out is beneath you. read your own prior posting.

so lets get this straight could we ?? in your earlier post you bad mouthed and ran down the pilots that go the extra mile and help clean, push wheel chairs ect, then when you get called out on it, you now say you do all that, which is it ?


Staple staple

Just curious, were do you see that I "bad mouthed pilots for helping out"??? I never said anything that even comes close to that near as I can see. I'm really curious how you got that impression?

 

[Dan Roman]

and flyvixen, you are probably not even capable of understanding, but people like you contribute so little and want so much. You simply are the polar opposite of pilots in the past who built being an airline pilot into an honorable profession.

If it's this, it's simply an observation that you think it's somehow justifiable to simply staple AirTran when they are essentially the same type of operation as SWA. (I'm sure they have pilots that go the extra mile, like you they have also helped build an airline). Your attitude is very demeaning to the profession as a whole. In other words it's the whole childish Staple Staple thing.

But to twist this around and say I badmouthed pilots that go the extra mile is amazing. Perhaps it's a symptom of our countries tendency to rely on cable news for information. All they do is jump to false or semi accurate conclusions and than follow up with name calling to try and make a point.

 

[Dan Roman]

Dan, Dan, Dan, please

You know as well as I do the "pilots of the past" with the help of greedy unions like ALPA wanted only to get paid to sit home and run their yogurt shops. We heard it all the time in the crew vans with the likes of the brain surgeons at United talking about the new contract is "like taking candy from a baby"

Staple Staple

Again, you are cherry picking mistakes of the past and ignoring the big picture. No question the UAL guys got way to cocky in the 90's. To their credit, they were dealing with predatory management so there is some justification there, but still, they went overboard and now they paid for it.

But you have to ask yourself, the UAL/CO pilots aren't on here slinging mud as vehemently as the SWA people on here are. UAL/CO are as similar operations as SWA/AT and yet you don't hear ALPA pilots running around saying Staple Staple. The DAL/NWA pilots have certainly handled their merger more maturely than what I see on here with the SWA folks.

BTW, you talk about the UAL pilots being cocky in the 90's. I sure see a lot of SWA pilots on here bragging about how much money they make and how much better paid they are than their peers. Sure sounds like a 90's UAL pilot to me. SWA built itself up when their pilots made substantially less than other pilots and they had a fuel hedge advantage. Neither is the case today and they have started to go head to head with the big boys. Should be interesting.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Yep. That house in Pilot Knob looked very nice.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Stapleer of choice? SWINGLINE! The official stapler used by SWAPA! Just ask a F9 guy!

 

[canyonblue]

SWA built itself up when their pilots made substantially less than other pilots and they had a fuel hedge advantage. Neither is the case today and they have started to go head to head with the big boys. Should be interesting.

Not quite. Southwest paid it's pilots a reasonable wage in the '70's, and the wages have grown at 3-4% a year up to now. You guys got 10% raises every 3 years then gave away 40% every 9 years in a vicious cycle up to today, which was the better strategy?

 

[zonejumper]

Yep. That house in Pilot Knob looked very nice.

"Pilot Knob" -- you just can't make this shyt up!

 

[Dan Roman]

Not quite. Southwest paid it's pilots a reasonable wage in the '70's, and the wages have grown at 3-4% a year up to now. You guys got 10% raises every 3 years then gave away 40% every 9 years in a vicious cycle up to today, which was the better strategy?

Reasonable maybe, but well below industry average. Not sure were you get the legacies give up 40% every 9 years???? After 9/11 the crap hit the fan, that was a one time deal. I was mostly referring to the 90's when a SWA Captain made what a legacy 737 F/O made during your 10 year contract.

Look, I'm not going to get into a tit for tat who has the bigger watch. I really don't care, every airline has it's good and bad points and good times and bad, you are no different, this is a very cyclical business.

 

[Skybus]

Sheep, You keep telling yourself that. That is why we are SWA and you are.... ?

 

[slaquer5]

Look, I'm not going to get into a tit for tat who has the bigger watch. I really don't care, every airline has it's good and bad points and good times and bad, you are no different, this is a very cyclical business.

Sure you do. I think your the front runner for the SWA hate club. You need to get out,get a hobby,other than your anger and hate towards SWA.

 

[On Your Six]

Sure you do. I think your the front runner for the SWA hate club. You need to get out,get a hobby,other than your anger and hate towards SWA.

I thought General Lee and I were the front runners darn it! Dan Roman asks honest questions, and the responses from you and other cocky corndogs just solidify your current bad image. But, you don't care, and that makes it even more exciting for us to watch your upcoming train wreck of a SLI with Airtran. Time for a lot of you to get some humility, and it will happen.

Why would Dan Roman, apparently a Hawaiian 767 captain, have the need to slam you? He, like almost everyone else, is just confused by your bizarre attitudes.


OYS

 

[Dan Roman]

Sure you do. I think your the front runner for the SWA hate club. You need to get out,get a hobby,other than your anger and hate towards SWA.

What have I said that indicates I "hate" SWA???? I haven't bashed you or called you names. I have called fowl on SWA somehow thinking when they merge with someone and thinking it's a win/win deal to be stapled. I have pointed out the fact that anything can happen to ANY airline down the road, none of us are invulnerable, yet when I do I get jumped on as a SWA "hater". Nothing could be further from the truth, but the constant attacks on others here by SWA folks is certainly worth countering with a different viewpoint that at least tries to keep in perspective that we all live in glass houses and throwing stones in this industry is a bad idea.