SWA culture!

[texman]

Here we all are, happy as can be.

 

[Ty Webb]

I feel a rude awaking is on the way. Kwick & Ty will be the most upset trannies out there.

Tell me, SWAFO-

Have you ever read an arbitrated decision that bumped existing captains out of their seats? For that matter, have you ever read an arbitrated decision, period?

Don't be stupid, you think SWA Management will turn their back on their "hired" employees?

Do you think that maybe you might be seen as turning your back on your own company?

You think this is ONLY a Pilot issue?

Thanks for helping me illustrate my point.

Don't push it Ty, be smart. Or you might "out smart" yourself out of a great opportunity.

Same to you, my friend, same to you. Hope that some greedy FO's don't screw up a reasonable agreement. Your Captains are the ones with te most at risk if it goes to Arbitration.

The first time I heard the term Tranny/Trannies it came from one of your Captains

Yeah, I guess it's OK then to try to use it as a perjorative.

You might want to look that word up in the dictionary. You'll find it between "date of hire" and "relative".

:laugh:

 

[Cometman]

No one should lose their present position or relative seniority!

I am not with either airline but if you really believe that a 5-6 year Captain with Airtran will become a SWA Captain and fly with a SWA co-pilot with 9-10 years and still get all the other benefits you are really dreaming. You might keep your seat for X number of years but then you will lose it if your new seniority cannot hold it. You think US Airways has problems? GK will never allow it at SWA. Remember, you are only 1700 against 6000. Who do you think GK wants to be happy. Besides, only half of the 1700 would be unhappy. GK will have 90% of the pilots happy and only 10% bitching. The way you dream, GK would have 10% happy and 90% unhappy. You decide which way GK wants it to go.

 

[Dash Power]

I am not with either airline but if you really believe that a 5-6 year Captain with Airtran will become a SWA Captain and fly with a SWA co-pilot with 9-10 years and still get all the other benefits you are really dreaming. You might keep your seat for X number of years but then you will lose it if your new seniority cannot hold it. You think US Airways has problems? GK will never allow it at SWA. Remember, you are only 1700 against 6000. Who do you think GK wants to be happy. Besides, only half of the 1700 would be unhappy. GK will have 90% of the pilots happy and only 10% bitching. The way you dream, GK would have 10% happy and 90% unhappy. You decide which way GK wants it to go.

And that is how you do the math with common sense.

Well said.

 

[tankerhead]

OK, refresh me.

What's the math of the pissed-off percentages with pure DOH?

 

[SWA/FO]

Ty you're truly going to be "lucky" if you ever make the list.

You keep forgetting who is drving this thing. You have zero leverage. Zero. You think arbitration is going to hand everything to da trannies? What are you smoking?

 

[Ty Webb]

So, let me get this straight . . .

SWAPA signs the Process Agreement they negotiated "in good faith", then

SWAPA doesn't like the results of the process that they negotiated and agreed to abide by, so

SWAPA goes to Gary Kelly and asks him to "save" them from the results of the agreement they themselves negotiated and signed . . . . or they are going to -what- hold the whole airline hostage . . . . in the name of "saving the culture"? :erm:

Oh, and you want SWA management to ignore existing law, repudiate statements made to shareholders, and reneg on documents signed with AirTran and ATN71, all because you're upset you didn't get to take away an AirTran Captain's seat? :erm:

Some of you guys need to find a new mullah to get your bullet points from. :laugh:

 

[GuppyWN]

I still think we'll negotiate the SLI.

When Gary and Mike VdV and Joe H and every other management type actively involved in this tells you (Airtran) they want this settled instead of arbitrated that's what they mean.

We'll (the NC's) will know a lot more after this next week.

Gup

 

[PRINCE AKEEM]

As a Propagandist, Baghdad Bob, you're an abject failure.

Every time you make a post like this, you probably piss off one or two more AAI pilots enough for them to pick up the phone and tell their Reps to "take it to the mat", followed by telling five or six of their coworkers, "Can you believe that those jackasses are calling us "Trannies" and saying we would be happy with a staple?".

Keep it up, you're doing great work, Bobby Boy. :laugh:

Correction Ty. Around the smoking lounge, YOUR name is the only one continually brought up. Unlike your ego leads you to believe, it's never very pleasant.

 

[Ty Webb]

I agree, Gup.

While we're talking math, simple math says that the Captains at each airline are going to have to vote "yes" in order to get a majority, and I don't know of any AAI Captains that are going to vote themselves out of a seat.

 

[Ty Webb]

Correction Ty. Around the smoking lounge, YOUR name is the only one continually brought up. Unlike your ego leads you to believe, it's never very pleasant.

Thanks for your contribution on that subject. It's been saved, along with the others.

 

[GuppyWN]

I agree, Gup.

While we're talking math, simple math says that the Captains at each airline are going to have to vote "yes" in order to get a majority, and I don't know of any AAI Captains that are going to vote themselves out of a seat.

While you might be right that's only 11% of the combined numbers.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

While you might be right that's only 11% of the combined numbers.

Gup

Not sure what you're saying, Gup. It has to pass each pilot group separately, so where does 11% come into play?

 

[Dash Power]

OK, refresh me.

What's the math of the pissed-off percentages with pure DOH?

Conservatively that would be at least 78%. I did not include any Airtran pilots.

All of the SWA pilots would be pissed-off. Including all of us "senior" Captains that would experience a very low bump in relative seniority. Family first.

 

[Dash Power]

Not sure what you're saying, Gup. It has to pass each pilot group separately, so where does 11% come into play?

Very easy to rationalize how this number is derived. Does it really need to be demonstrated?

 

[tico]

Mostly likely it will look like this: 92% of the existing swa cpts will be unaffected by position and seniority; 85% of the former at cpts will be unaffected by position but will lose seniority; the fo cut will put the last 6 years of former at fo's on the bottom followed by the last 4 years of swa fo's. 8% of swa cpts will see seniority loss but no position loss. 15% of former at cpts will see both seniority and position loss. The real impact will fall on the bottom former at cpts and the senior fo's at the former at and swa. So the former at cpts who lose seniority but not position will vote yes, the unnafected swa cpts will vote yes, the junior fo's at the former at and swa will vote yes. I see it passing somewhere in the 60/40 range. It would pass by a higher margin but you always have sympathy voters....hope all y'all can put it together...you will need everybody pulling on the same rope,in the same direction at the new swa to combat the storms brewing on the horizon....everyone at the new swa is better off than the rest of us....good hunting

 

[GuppyWN]

Not sure what you're saying, Gup. It has to pass each pilot group separately, so where does 11% come into play?

In Indian speak it means that winning the battle does not guarantee winning the war.

Allow me to think out loud for a moment. Say a deal takes Ty's seat away from him but keeps the top 25% of your Captains in their seat. Now you've got a simple majority of Airtran pilots that are willing to accept a deal that "harms" the bottom 75% of your Captains.

The wild card is NOT your Captains. The problem you have is convincing your FO's that this deal, in ANY way, harms them. That's a pretty big mountain for you to climb.

Gup

 

[Bob Dylan]

No one should lose their present position or relative seniority!

I am not with either airline but if you really believe that a 5-6 year Captain with Airtran will become a SWA Captain and fly with a SWA co-pilot with 9-10 years and still get all the other benefits you are really dreaming. You might keep your seat for X number of years but then you will lose it if your new seniority cannot hold it. You think US Airways has problems? GK will never allow it at SWA. Remember, you are only 1700 against 6000. Who do you think GK wants to be happy. Besides, only half of the 1700 would be unhappy. GK will have 90% of the pilots happy and only 10% bitching. The way you dream, GK would have 10% happy and 90% unhappy. You decide which way GK wants it to go.

Very good analysis! This is why I believe it will be a staple, or no combination.

Take the staple trannies. Don't let the senior tranny captains ruin your careers because of their greed.

 

[GuppyWN]

Bob,

Even I think it's getting old.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

In Indian speak it means that winning the battle does not guarantee winning the war.

Allow me to think out loud for a moment. Say a deal takes Ty's seat away from him but keeps the top 25% of your Captains in their seat. Now you've got a simple majority of Airtran pilots that are willing to accept a deal that "harms" the bottom 75% of your Captains.

The wild card is NOT your Captains. The problem you have is convincing your FO's that this deal, in ANY way, harms them. That's a pretty big mountain for you to climb.

Gup

I see where ou're coming from. I think you might be surprised to find that our senior FO's have expectations, too, and will be looking carefully at what changes this SLI will mean for them.

I'm guessing you could make the same analysis with your pilot group, too. I don't want to make predictions, but there are segments and striations in all pilot groups.

Regards,
TW

 

[dicko]

I still think we'll negotiate the SLI.

When Gary and Mike VdV and Joe H and every other management type actively involved in this tells you (Airtran) they want this settled instead of arbitrated that's what they mean.

We'll (the NC's) will know a lot more after this next week.

Gup

I think you're right Gup. I also think the MC's are working on solutions that will address the various sub groups (senior FO's, junior CA's etc ...)

Cheers to hoping.

 

[GuppyWN]

Absolutely.

Enjoy your weekend.

Gup

 

[Bob Dylan]

Bob,

Even I think it's getting old.

Gup

Even you? YOU?? Wow, I guess I won't post anymore because the great Gup thinks my posts are getting old.

Newsflash, I don't work for SWA or AT. I'm only even posting about this at all because I cannot believe the level of absurdity displayed by the trannies on this board.

Get off your high horse Gup. I couldn't care less what YOU 'think' clown!

 

[GuppyWN]

Even you? YOU?? Wow, I guess I won't post anymore because the great Gup thinks my posts are getting old.

Newsflash, I don't work for SWA or AT. I'm only even posting about this at all because I cannot believe the level of absurdity displayed by the trannies on this board.

Get off your high horse Gup. I couldn't care less what YOU 'think' clown!

You're free to do and say what you want bro. Just letting you know that when a loud-mouth like me is growing tired of it, you're pretty close to touching all the bases!

LOL,
Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

"Baghdad Bob" Dylan has a long way to go . . . . Compare his work to the work of his idol:

Actual Quotes From the Iraqi Information Minister
(aka 'Baghdad Bob')

"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis."

Britain "is not worth an old shoe."

"They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ...

:laugh:

Bob, at least have the decency to admit you work for SWA. We all know you borrowed your buddy's FI screenname shortly after the merger announcement, and started your (very) ineffective "campaign".

 

[GuppyWN]

Well hell I didn't know he was SWA.

In that case, I agree! :laugh:

Gup

 

[Bob Dylan]

As a Propagandist, Baghdad Bob, you're an abject failure.

Every time you make a post like this, you probably piss off one or two more AAI pilots enough for them to pick up the phone and tell their Reps to "take it to the mat", followed by telling five or six of their coworkers, "Can you believe that those jackasses are calling us "Trannies" and saying we would be happy with a staple?".

Keep it up, you're doing great work, Bobby Boy. :laugh:

GMAFB. I'm insulting all the AirTran pilots by referring to them as Trannies?? Jeez you're a hypocritical nitwit. You guys refer to yourselves as Trannies all the time.

You're really grasping at straws. Pull your head out of your rear.

 

[dicko]

In Indian speak it means that winning the battle does not guarantee winning the war.

Allow me to think out loud for a moment. Say a deal takes Ty's seat away from him but keeps the top 25% of your Captains in their seat. Now you've got a simple majority of Airtran pilots that are willing to accept a deal that "harms" the bottom 75% of your Captains.

The wild card is NOT your Captains. The problem you have is convincing your FO's that this deal, in ANY way, harms them. That's a pretty big mountain for you to climb.

Gup

I don't think that's something that our MC would bring to us to vote on. Therefore the point is moot.

 

[GuppyWN]

Your MC wouldn't bring you a deal that good for at least 75% of you?

Maybe this is going to be harder than I thought!

Gup

 

[Bob Dylan]

"Baghdad Bob" Dylan has a long way to go . . . . Compare his work to the work of his idol:

Actual Quotes From the Iraqi Information Minister
(aka 'Baghdad Bob')

"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis."

Britain "is not worth an old shoe."

"They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ...

:laugh:

Bob, at least have the decency to admit you work for SWA. We all know you borrowed your buddy's FI screenname shortly after the merger announcement, and started your (very) ineffective "campaign".

I do not work for SWA. I started posting on these threads mainly after seeing Lear70s hypocrisy when his old threads begging to be stapled were discovered and then especially when he banned me for bringing them up. Secondly, I like posting in these threads because I think Ty Webb is such an a-clown and will be thrilled to see you stapled.

Probably my biggest reason for posting is to see TyWebb get what's coming to him. It will be a joy to see you slapped down a peg. So if you really want to talk about propaganda, your bad attitude has almost single-handedly turned me, a non SWA and non AT pilot with nothing to gain or lose, into rooting for Southwest Airlines to staple your butts.

I also truly believe a staple is the fairest thing and what will ultimately happen based on logic.