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bri5150 said:
Agreed, I will submit to that model if you can just get your leadership to get that list done.
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Great!

So you Mesaba guys are onto Bargaining.. fantastic!

Uh-oh, Next comes Depression...

..I'm betting that one comes tomorrow.
 
The 9E list will come out soon. Right now, it's getting the final touches, to ensure that certain merger committee members don't raise a hell storm with Bloch over something they agreed to already in the LOA. I think certain individuals are in dire need of memory loss pills, that's only explanation I can think of. Make no mistake, the XJ dispute is the primary reason for the delay. Bloch had the updated correct 9E seniority list (the PM list) by May 24. The time he has taken since then is due to the dispute brought up by the XJ merger committee.
 
Flyer1015 said:
The 9E list will come out soon. Right now, it's getting the final touches, to ensure that certain merger committee members don't raise a hell storm with Bloch over something they agreed to already in the LOA. I think certain individuals are in dire need of memory loss pills, that's only explanation I can think of. Make no mistake, the XJ dispute is the primary reason for the delay. Bloch had the updated seniority list by May 24. The time he has taken since then is due to the dispute brought up by the XJ merger committee.
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Wait, so it's being finished BUT it's already done. OK

How about this, make sure EVERYONE from your company, all the pilots, are on the list this time, with the correct seat, base, equip, etc. Stuff Hunter full of NoDoze and Eight balls if you have to. Pull it together, one last time.
 
Flyprdu said:
Great!

So you Mesaba guys are onto Bargaining.. fantastic!

Uh-oh, Next comes Depression...

..I'm betting that one comes tomorrow.
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Tell you what, if you can get your Seniority list done some time today, I'll give you all my depression medication. I'm going off central time so you've got about 25 minutes.

WORK!
 
There is a reason for the delay on the 9E list submittal, due to a reason beyond the control of the 3 merger committee members.
 
Smarta$$ said:
Do tell? I am sure it is just as true as everything else you hear (make up).
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Lets see, I will try and make this simple for you. I trust our MEC, our CA and FO reps, our negotiators, and the information they give out in emails and tell me in person. I have known some of them for about ten years and most the rest all my eight years at Mesaba. It is a fact that the actions of your union and who ever is your SLI negotiators that they are responsible for this delay. The only thing I "make up" is the great rumors I start while on ready reserve....and those are just jokes to my friends. None of your business and I do not post them here.....so please stop being a jack hole and embarrassing yourself. :)
 
Flyprdu said:
To my Mesaba "brothers" who keep trashing Pinnacle:

I would like to introduce you to the Kubler-Ross Model, otherwise known as the 5 Stages of Grief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kübler-Ross_model

As your immature lashing out indicates, I'd guess that most of you are around the second stage, Anger.

I suggest that you come to grips with your "loss" and get through the Stages as quickly as you can.

You're all being incredible pricks. It'd be a huge favor to me if you could speed things along.
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I know some Pinnacle pilots-I hope they are embarrassed over guys like you who are obviously the problem over there (next to the even bigger problem of how inept your union representation and SLI committee are).

I never went into the SLI with the attitude of win/lose, my thought was get through it as fair as possible and most will be disappointed. This obviously is not the case with some of your pilots (like those who post here) who think a staple job is great for them-that you had a great contract-great work rules-had a solid future with a huge fleet of undesirable planes-that delta would not mind your terrible management and your terrible performance-OH and that your airline bought two other airlines......all false but just the same all reasons why you think you will "win" at this SLI-I am not happy that I have to wait to know mine and your fate over the crap your people have done. DO I hope the new list reflects the stellar job your union and SLI committee has done over the past few months? Yes I do. Just like any court case or legal proceeding-those that you choose to represent you has a DIRECT relationship with the outcome of said court case or legal proceedings.
 
Flyer1015 said:
The 9E list will come out soon. Right now, it's getting the final touches, to ensure that certain merger committee members don't raise a hell storm with Bloch over something they agreed to already in the LOA. I think certain individuals are in dire need of memory loss pills, that's only explanation I can think of. Make no mistake, the XJ dispute is the primary reason for the delay. Bloch had the updated correct 9E seniority list (the PM list) by May 24. The time he has taken since then is due to the dispute brought up by the XJ merger committee.
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That's the one with the "hidden" Date of Hire column, 5 more changes to individuals DOH, a terminated person listed, and one 9er completely vanished. Sounds "updated correct" to me. I think the time is being taken to read the excel manual on how to completely delete a column, instead of just hiding it.


Sorry, had to go there... actually, I hope is comes soon, is correct, and we can move on.
 
CptMurf said:
Just received XJ email... On Monday Bloch requested new lists. XJ and 9L have submitted theirs. 9E has yet to submit an updated list.
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This is correct. Did your reps tell you the only date he wants? Class date!!!! PCL will get class date for the SLI.
 
RJLoser said:
This is correct. Did your reps tell you the only date he wants? Class date!!!! PCL will get class date for the SLI.
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I don't think that is a surprise. That was determined many months ago, no? Here, I will bold this again: This past week was not about whether or not to change your DOH to class date. It was about other suspicious changes made to the 9E seniority list. I think you are confused because some of us here have decided that maybe we should have fought changing your class date because of the crap that has been thrown our way.
 
I just had a thought.....on the 9E SLI Merger Committee. They are dragging their feet on completing the new updated list, why? I am not sure anyone knows. But my thought is this, maybe they were hiding columns in their seniority list, changing DOH for a few pilots, and making up a DOH that is not their DOH (class date) all so they can have material for why they will contest Bloch's decision in court by saying the new list is fraudulent. By that time 9E will claim that their merger committee acted alone and all their pilots should not be subject to the new list......blaw blaw..... can anyone else figure out why these guys have been doing this crap?
 
xjhawk said:
I just had a thought.....on the 9E SLI Merger Committee. They are dragging their feet on completing the new updated list, why? I am not sure anyone knows. But my thought is this, maybe they were hiding columns in their seniority list, changing DOH for a few pilots, and making up a DOH that is not their DOH (class date) all so they can have material for why they will contest Bloch's decision in court by saying the new list is fraudulent. By that time 9E will claim that their merger committee acted alone and all their pilots should not be subject to the new list......blaw blaw..... can anyone else figure out why these guys have been doing this crap?
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I have a hard time believing it's intentional. Certainly there is some poor performance and work ethic from a few key people that needs to be addressed, but I think it's just that. These guys have been beat on for years (I understand they aren't slaves, they willingly take the beatings) and there are a lot of things to sort out with PTSD (Pinnacles Traumatic Stress Disorder). When voting comes around lets make sure these guys get a break to deal with their problems.
 
Inconceivable said:
Work ethic? For christ's sake, these guys are on trips that the company will not let them off of.

Not everyone can sit and update their group's facebook page all day:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Colgan-ALPA/119395344745881
http://www.facebook.com/notes/mesaba-airlines-alpa/sli-update-june-1-2011/186937454688369
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Don't blame the company for problems that were months in the making while you had paid time off. Jeesh.

Honestly, what else are we suppose to do while we wait for you guys to finish up? I know YOU guys don't have time to update your facebook but we are done, we did our job. We've got nothing BUT time.
 
xjhawk said:
I just had a thought.....on the 9E SLI Merger Committee. They are dragging their feet on completing the new updated list, why? I am not sure anyone knows. But my thought is this, maybe they were hiding columns in their seniority list, changing DOH for a few pilots, and making up a DOH that is not their DOH (class date) all so they can have material for why they will contest Bloch's decision in court by saying the new list is fraudulent. By that time 9E will claim that their merger committee acted alone and all their pilots should not be subject to the new list......blaw blaw..... can anyone else figure out why these guys have been doing this crap?
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These are outright LIES. The company has forced one of our three merger committee members to fly a 2-day trip. This individual will not be available until 1030pm tonight, June 2. It's not JH, but another committee member. All 3 of our SLI members have to review the list before hitting the send button to Bloch. Once this individual comes in from his trip, the list will be reviewed. The goal is to get the list submitted to Bloch around midnight, hopefully sooner, maybe a little after. The company is obligated to give the time off needed for SLI as per the process agreement, and obviously, that's not the case. There isn't much one can do when you are forced to fly even though you should be off as per agreement.
 
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I was speculating about some of the things....but the DOH stuff is not lies. There is a difference between lies and speculation. I must say that it is crappy of the company to make one of your SLI guys work a two day when important matters are at hand. I guess we will know something tomorrow. Thanks for the information
 
bri5150 said:
Again, nothing but name calling from the 9E guys. What's up with this?
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Very pertinent contribution to the subject being discussed. The gentlemen was speaking poorly of individuals, that he does not know, that I do know. He is totally incorrect in his assumptions of both.

I summarized my impression of his attitude and actions into a well recognized descriptive term. Your disappointment with the term I chose does not change its validity or appropriateness to the situation.
 
God I miss Rick Astley!

How can you just not feel all cheerie after being punked
yet again with that get-up?

100-1/2
 
Smarta$$ said:
Very pertinent contribution to the subject being discussed. The gentlemen was speaking poorly of individuals, that he does not know, that I do know. He is totally incorrect in his assumptions of both.

I summarized my impression of his attitude and actions into a well recognized descriptive term. Your disappointment with the term I chose does not change its validity or appropriateness to the situation.
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*clap clap clap* Now that is a respectable post. Why not do that all the time instead of calling people names? You may find people value your opinion more.
 
Flyer1015 said:
I should ask you the same thing. The Pinnacle's ex-MEC, current MEC, and members of the SLI team are being called out by name from XJ guys here. What's up with this?
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Calling people by their real names is a bit different than calling them a name. That being said, I don't personally know their names, nor do I care what their real names are. What I care about is how poorly handled this updated seniority list is being handled. Whether it's the negotiating commitee, the company, or the MEC. Mesaba and Colgan got there stuff in almost immediately, yet it is taking Pinnacle 3 or 4 days to do the same work. Don't say anything about Mesaba MEC disputing this because there is no question that isn't the case THIS week.
 
bri5150 said:
Mesaba and Colgan got there stuff in almost immediately, yet it is taking Pinnacle 3 or 4 days to do the same work.
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Bloch requested updated seniority lists effective as of June 1. The Pinnacle committee pulled the data from the company at the close of business on June 1 and has taken the past 24 hours to ensure its accuracy with exhausting detail. How is that unreasonable? Considering the crap that was dished out to PCL from XJ and CJC pilots the last time there were a handful of inadvertent errors (that were promptly corrected) can you blame them for wanting to make sure this one was correct?

If I were a XJ or CJC pilot I would be very concerned about their committees' disregard of the arbitrators explicit instructions and the submission of their lists that were dated on some other day. I'm confident that the PCL committee won't dispute this lack of adherence to arbitrator instructions though.


Don't say anything about Mesaba MEC disputing this because there is no question that isn't the case THIS week.
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Last week's XJ/CJC dispute was shot down by Bloch. If having a decision 24 hours faster was such a big deal maybe they should have rethought that hair brained stunt last week.
 
How can XJ pilots have any respect for themselves when their MEC does a last minute stab-in-the-back to Pinnacle by asking for DOE based on their sim? This goes against everything fair and the spirit of the LOA's upto this point. It's really pathetic and I don't care how long it takes anymore, I don't want to work with XJ pilots anyway. Much less fly a prop at colgan.
 
altimaklr said:
How can 9E pilots have any respect for themselves when their MEC does a 9 month stab-in-the-back to XJ/9L by trying to staple them? This goes against everything fair and the spirit of the ALPA Merger policy upto this point. It's really pathetic and I don't care how long it takes anymore, I don't want to work with 9E pilots anyway. Much less fly a POS 200.
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Fixed it for you.



Actually just playing around. ;) I'm looking forward to moving past this and becoming a cohesive group. Hopefully it comes out today.
 
DoinTime said:
If having a decision 24 hours faster was such a big deal maybe they should have rethought that hair brained stunt last week.
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This is rich coming from the pilot group that picketed during the last days of contract negotiations threatening to derail the process, then massacring the Colgan and Mesaba pilot groups for not joining them....
 
Cpt Murf- holy crap that was funny. I was thinking the same thing how wrong that guy was in his/her entire thought process. Drinking the 9E union coolaid. Everytime I read one of these peoples post I try to think of the countless 9E people I know and who have met while working these past 8 years. Where are they and who is representing them in this goat screw their union is showing us? I am MORE than disappointed by the final staple job proposal that 9E put forth to Bloch. I also want to address what was said earlier on this thread.....how do they know Bloch "shot down" the dispute on the DOH for 9E? Won't that be decided in the final award?
 

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