How many got hired and quit at Pinnacolaba in the past week?

[Flyer1015]

Funny, you in particular have been proposing far worse things than that to both XJ and 9L. In fact, your one of the more vocal ones on here. Even if your accusations are true, and they are not, why is it ok for one sli committee to play unfair, but not the others?

My proposal has always been to ensure everyone starts at the same level playing field: DOH as of class date. As for the methods, it doesn't matter what I've proposed, because it's all in Bloch's hands now. But do note, the dispute regarding DOH was initially started by the XJ committee. Not by me, not by you, not by 9L. They jumped into the bandwagon later, claiming they had to adust their piltos' DOH to come in line with ALPA's merger policy, and how they thought it was unfair that one group (implying 9E) did not. What the 9L committee conveniently left out, is that their adjustments were necessary for those pilots hired at Colgan in other non-pilot positions, and then later transferred to a pilot position. Their adjustment was necessary to ensure their pilot class date was considered the DOH for integration purposes. HARDLY the same thing as Pinnacle's case, but the 9L committee still spun this to make it sound like they had to "take one" for the team.

 

[higney85]

There are no dues dollars involved. On day 1 of class the probationary period started and all pilots were paying dues 1 year from class date (not 1 year from checkride). I'm not going to get in the middle of mudslinging because it's all opposing opinions, but those are the facts on dues.

 

[ChickenSled]

There are no dues dollars involved. On day 1 of class the probationary period started and all pilots were paying dues 1 year from class date (not 1 year from checkride). I'm not going to get in the middle of mudslinging because it's all opposing opinions, but those are the facts on dues.

Oh yea there are, I started paying dues 9 months and 1 week after my hire date.

 

[gojo]

My proposal has always been to ensure everyone starts at the same level playing field: DOH as of class date. As for the methods, it doesn't matter what I've proposed, because it's all in Bloch's hands now. But do note, the dispute regarding DOH was initially started by the XJ committee. Not by me, not by you, not by 9L. They jumped into the bandwagon later, claiming they had to adust their piltos' DOH to come in line with ALPA's merger policy, and how they thought it was unfair that one group (implying 9E) did not. What the 9L committee conveniently left out, is that their adjustments were necessary for those pilots hired at Colgan in other non-pilot positions, and then later transferred to a pilot position. Their adjustment was necessary to ensure their pilot class date was considered the DOH for integration purposes. HARDLY the same thing as Pinnacle's case, but the 9L committee still spun this to make it sound like they had to "take one" for the team.

I will be shocked if what you say is true, but it does matter what you proposed. You act like fairness only applies to you and your group

 

[ChickenSled]

/sigh Yes, I feel, cancel that, it is a known fact that the Colgan Cert was picked based on the amount of aircraft. I thought it was silly from the beginning of this mess that we weren't using it to begin with. Why fire up a whole new Q400 program when Colgan already had it?

But, and I want to hear you say it, Colgan is inferior to Mesaba.

 

[Flyer1015]

I will be shocked if what you say is true, but it does matter what you proposed. You act like fairness only applies to you and your group

PM sent.

All my proposals directly had to do with what each group brings into the merger. If your airline is bringing a shrinking fleet, to be non-existant in less than 18 months, then that has to be accounted for in any integration proposal. To not do so, and just do striaght DOH, would punish the junior end of the airline that hired most since 2008: Colgan. My proposals were fair for the amount of pilots still on Mesaba's list to do flying for 60 RJs, and that number was around 760-810. For for those positions, we can work with a mixture of relative and DOH. For the positions after that, say, from 760-810 through the rest of the list, it is obvious these positions would go along with the Saabs. Their addition to the list therefore has to be accounted for.

 

[CptMurf]

What makes you think a strike would have started? You don't think the company would have settle in the dark wee hours of the night? Hmm, I seem to recall a *certain* regional airline in a 30 day cooling period and then settling a new contract just hours after midnight before a potential strike, circa Jan 2004.

Obviously you don't remember then. Because Mgmt. voluntarily shut down for 3 days before the TA was reached. Didn't happen at night at all.

 

[higney85]

Oh yea there are, I started paying dues 9 months and 1 week after my hire date.

After your "checkride date" which is now an old "back in the day" story. You should have had dues come out on the first check that was 365 days after day 1 of class- now "officially" your DOH.

Correct?

 

[CptMurf]

But, and I want to hear you say it, Colgan is inferior to Mesaba.

The only one implying this is you. This was obviously a financially driven decision, and it was strange that it was not the original plan. Most agree the name change is to disassociate the airline from the Colgan name, which gets drug through the mud by the media on a weekly basis.

 

[CptMurf]

PM sent.

Speaking of which, I would rather my inbox not be spammed by you over every post I submit. At least in the thread I have the ability to ignore you. Thank You.

 

[Inconceivable]

old "back in the day" story

And that day was last March

 

[Flyer1015]

Oh bloody hell, screw this. Life's too short. I'll debate again once the final award comes out. Meanwhile, these talks are becoming more moot. Until then, good day, cheerio!

 

[ChickenSled]

After your "checkride date" which is now an old "back in the day" story. You should have had dues come out on the first check that was 365 days after day 1 of class- now "officially" your DOH.

Correct?

Negative.

 

[ChickenSled]

The only one implying this is you. This was obviously a financially driven decision, and it was strange that it was not the original plan. Most agree the name change is to disassociate the airline from the Colgan name, which gets drug through the mud by the media on a weekly basis.

I'd like the original poster to answer the question.

 

[higney85]

Negative.

So you were paying dues 9 months after your first day of class? That's an error- did you ever call anyone about it?

 

[ChickenSled]

So you were paying dues 9 months after your first day of class? That's an error- did you ever call anyone about it?

Why would I care till now. 1.95% of $1700 is not worth a fight. BUT, when you multiply by "maybe" 2500 pilots my math says ALPA owes us maybe $250,000?

 

[bri5150]

But, and I want to hear you say it, Colgan is inferior to Mesaba.

Why would I say that? I don't think it. I think we should all have a fair integration. I like them a hell of a lot more than Pinnacle at this point. I think Colgan pilots were treated like crap and at least they aren't going around spouting off about how they deserve this or that because they are growing. I don't think I have heard from a single Colgan pilot on this issue. I am also almost certain I will have a Colgan pilot hired after me above me on the list. Not sure how that couldn't happen.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Management - What former Mesaba flight ops managers are going to be at PCL other than this DV guy?

Union leaders - Its unlikely that Mesaba will retain any reps in the combined MEC except for the MSP Council. 2 out of 14 of the voting reps is not exactly a strong influence.

Training centers - Who cares what building training is being done in (both training centers will remain in full swing by the way)? Answer this.....why was PCLs training program and procedures chosen for the CRJ fleet if Mesaba's was superior?

Chief Pilots - All of the Domicile Chief Pilots for the new PCL will be from the old PCL.

Contracts - The JCBA barely even resembles the old Mesaba contract. Why do you guys keep claiming that we are all working under your old contract?

I don't know where you are getting this info...but I can tell you that at least the points regarding union representation and chief pilots are incorrect...This isn't speculation...I know for a fact that at least one domicile chief will be from xj...

 

[bri5150]

So, how did Pinnacle lose a "rock solid" 200 to another company? I thought they were all locked in until 2017? That sure paints a different picture to the "snapshot" that should be used for SLI. While it certainly wasn't the pilots fault, how many would Delta have taken if there wasn't this merger? That's six less captain slots available to all of us now. By the way, ASA should be offering full seniority integration for 10 pilots based on how we screwed Express back in the day, right?

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

Actually they lost 3 CRJ200's