How many got hired and quit at Pinnacolaba in the past week?

[Flyer1015]

Again, nothing but name calling from the 9E guys. What's up with this?

I should ask you the same thing. The Pinnacle's ex-MEC, current MEC, and members of the SLI team are being called out by name from XJ guys here. What's up with this?

 

[100-1/2]

God I miss Rick Astley!

How can you just not feel all cheerie after being punked
yet again with that get-up?

100-1/2

 

[bri5150]

Very pertinent contribution to the subject being discussed. The gentlemen was speaking poorly of individuals, that he does not know, that I do know. He is totally incorrect in his assumptions of both.

I summarized my impression of his attitude and actions into a well recognized descriptive term. Your disappointment with the term I chose does not change its validity or appropriateness to the situation.

*clap clap clap* Now that is a respectable post. Why not do that all the time instead of calling people names? You may find people value your opinion more.

 

[bri5150]

I should ask you the same thing. The Pinnacle's ex-MEC, current MEC, and members of the SLI team are being called out by name from XJ guys here. What's up with this?

Calling people by their real names is a bit different than calling them a name. That being said, I don't personally know their names, nor do I care what their real names are. What I care about is how poorly handled this updated seniority list is being handled. Whether it's the negotiating commitee, the company, or the MEC. Mesaba and Colgan got there stuff in almost immediately, yet it is taking Pinnacle 3 or 4 days to do the same work. Don't say anything about Mesaba MEC disputing this because there is no question that isn't the case THIS week.

 

[DoinTime]

Mesaba and Colgan got there stuff in almost immediately, yet it is taking Pinnacle 3 or 4 days to do the same work.

Bloch requested updated seniority lists effective as of June 1. The Pinnacle committee pulled the data from the company at the close of business on June 1 and has taken the past 24 hours to ensure its accuracy with exhausting detail. How is that unreasonable? Considering the crap that was dished out to PCL from XJ and CJC pilots the last time there were a handful of inadvertent errors (that were promptly corrected) can you blame them for wanting to make sure this one was correct?

If I were a XJ or CJC pilot I would be very concerned about their committees' disregard of the arbitrators explicit instructions and the submission of their lists that were dated on some other day. I'm confident that the PCL committee won't dispute this lack of adherence to arbitrator instructions though.

Don't say anything about Mesaba MEC disputing this because there is no question that isn't the case THIS week.

Last week's XJ/CJC dispute was shot down by Bloch. If having a decision 24 hours faster was such a big deal maybe they should have rethought that hair brained stunt last week.

 

[altimaklr]

How can XJ pilots have any respect for themselves when their MEC does a last minute stab-in-the-back to Pinnacle by asking for DOE based on their sim? This goes against everything fair and the spirit of the LOA's upto this point. It's really pathetic and I don't care how long it takes anymore, I don't want to work with XJ pilots anyway. Much less fly a prop at colgan.

 

[CptMurf]

How can 9E pilots have any respect for themselves when their MEC does a 9 month stab-in-the-back to XJ/9L by trying to staple them? This goes against everything fair and the spirit of the ALPA Merger policy upto this point. It's really pathetic and I don't care how long it takes anymore, I don't want to work with 9E pilots anyway. Much less fly a POS 200.

Fixed it for you.



Actually just playing around. I'm looking forward to moving past this and becoming a cohesive group. Hopefully it comes out today.

 

[jamiestrat]

If having a decision 24 hours faster was such a big deal maybe they should have rethought that hair brained stunt last week.

This is rich coming from the pilot group that picketed during the last days of contract negotiations threatening to derail the process, then massacring the Colgan and Mesaba pilot groups for not joining them....

 

[jynxyjericho]

This is rich coming from the pilot group that picketed during the last days of contract negotiations threatening to derail the process, then massacring the Colgan and Mesaba pilot groups for not joining them....

"In Unity" right?

 

[xjhawk]

Cpt Murf- holy crap that was funny. I was thinking the same thing how wrong that guy was in his/her entire thought process. Drinking the 9E union coolaid. Everytime I read one of these peoples post I try to think of the countless 9E people I know and who have met while working these past 8 years. Where are they and who is representing them in this goat screw their union is showing us? I am MORE than disappointed by the final staple job proposal that 9E put forth to Bloch. I also want to address what was said earlier on this thread.....how do they know Bloch "shot down" the dispute on the DOH for 9E? Won't that be decided in the final award?

 

[DoinTime]

I also want to address what was said earlier on this thread.....how do they know Bloch "shot down" the dispute on the DOH for 9E? Won't that be decided in the final award?

Because our representatives tell us the truth about whats going on.

 

[DoinTime]

This is rich coming from the pilot group that picketed during the last days of contract negotiations threatening to derail the process, then massacring the Colgan and Mesaba pilot groups for not joining them....

Oh yeah...that was that event where the Colgan and Mesaba MECs became the first pilot groups in the history of ALPA to ever solicit a request of no support for another pilot group. Classy stuff.

 

[Flyer1015]

I'm sick and tired of hearing about Pinnacle's final standpoint submitted as a staple job. Why won't anyone talk about 9E's negotiating standpoints? Our union seriously needs to release them. The last email said something along the lines that they are thinking about releasing them. They should! Shut the trapholes of some of these people here who have no clue as to what 9E proposed in the negotiations phase. Let me give you a hint. With a straight-up DOH proposal, there is no room for negotiations. It's either straight DOH or it's not. Same thing with relative. It's either straight relative or it's not. NEITHER side budged from their viewpoint. Those initial viewpoints continued in negotiations, and then were submitted as final views. Where's the negotiations?!

9E was the one group that tried to submit different proposals, but they were either turned down or just outright ignored.

COLGAN PEOPLE:

Your union was initially submitted a proposal about taking 9E guys and 9L guys up to the date of Colgan purchase (Jan 2007), everyone on property that day and before, get relative. Then, after the purchase date in Jan 2007, everyone on property on both sides get DOH. This proposal WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A STAPLE JOB FOR COLGAN! I say again, relative among 9E/9L until the purchase date of Jan 2007, then DOH afterwards. The Colgan committee chairman did not even acknowledge this viewpoint. From the get-go, it seems he wanted it to be in the arbitrators hands.

I better not hear any Colgan guy complain about Pinnacle's final method. Pinnacles final method came after the other two groups outright ignored them and were not willing to negotiate to some middle ground. Pinnacle even tried different variations for stat/cat method, but no one negotiated.

So if you want to be ticked off at Pinnacle's final viewpoints, blame the 9L and XJ committee for refusing to negotiate anything else other then their initial AND final viewpoints. They never budged.

 

[gojo]

Oh yeah...that was that event where the Colgan and Mesaba MECs became the first pilot groups in the history of ALPA to ever solicit a request of no support for another pilot group. Classy stuff.

It wasn't a question of support, but rather the timing of the event. Progress was being made in negotiations. Colgan and Mesaba were just following the advice of ALPA national and D-ALPA. Again, it could be said that the Pinnacle MEC didn't support everyone else, but you just want to keep throwing stones

 

[gojo]

I'm sick and tired of hearing about Pinnacle's final standpoint submitted as a staple job. Why won't anyone talk about 9E's negotiating standpoints? Our union seriously needs to release them. The last email said something along the lines that they are thinking about releasing them. They should! Shut the trapholes of some of these people here who have no clue as to what 9E proposed in the negotiations phase. Let me give you a hint. With a straight-up DOH proposal, there is no room for negotiations. It's either straight DOH or it's not. Same thing with relative. It's either straight relative or it's not. NEITHER side budged from their viewpoint. Those initial viewpoints continued in negotiations, and then were submitted as final views. Where's the negotiations?!

9E was the one group that tried to submit different proposals, but they were either turned down or just outright ignored.

COLGAN PEOPLE:

Your union was initially submitted a proposal about taking 9E guys and 9L guys up to the date of Colgan purchase (Jan 2007), everyone on property that day and before, get relative. Then, after the purchase date in Jan 2007, everyone on property on both sides get DOH. This proposal WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A STAPLE JOB FOR COLGAN! I say again, relative among 9E/9L until the purchase date of Jan 2007, then DOH afterwards. The Colgan committee chairman did not even acknowledge this viewpoint. From the get-go, it seems he wanted it to be in the arbitrators hands.

I better not hear any Colgan guy complain about Pinnacle's final method. Pinnacles final method came after the other two groups outright ignored them and were not willing to negotiate to some middle ground. Pinnacle even tried different variations for stat/cat method, but no one negotiated.

So if you want to be ticked off at Pinnacle's final viewpoints, blame the 9L and XJ committee for refusing to negotiate anything else other then their initial AND final viewpoints. They never budged.

I agree, it would be nice to hear all the facts. I too am tired of all the bickering and back biting. I want this SLI done and singular union representation. Cheers

 

[bri5150]

I agree, it would be nice to hear all the facts. I too am tired of all the bickering and back biting. I want this SLI done and singular union representation. Cheers

What is the timeline on that? I think they should stay seperate until everyone is able to bid where they will legally be able to bid in the end. My point is that there was at least one 900 transferred to 9E, and I want to make sure we are protected from having aircraft being transferred and not being able to bid to them (if it is legal according to the SLI). Same thing with the Saabs we have left. If we were using our certificate, then I would want the same protection for Colgan pilots.

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

I hope 9e does present all sides. I heard a presentation from our SLI guys about the all three proposals. If you truly believe 9e didn't try for a seniority grab then I don't know the real definition. Again I hope your committee shares the proposals.

But I also know that MOST of the 9e pilots are not being told the truth, so I refuse to start throwing mud. If I were in your positions I'd be mad at us too.

 

[DoinTime]

Again, it could be said that the Pinnacle MEC didn't support everyone else, but you just want to keep throwing stones

I'm not the one who brought the issue up. The stone was thrown by JAMIESTRAT. You seem to think that PCL pilots should just roll over while we get bombarded with slanderous rumors and outright lies.

 

[jamiestrat]

I'm not the one who brought the issue up. The stone was thrown by JAMIESTRAT. You seem to think that PCL pilots should just roll over while we get bombarded with slanderous rumors and outright lies.

I was just amused that a Pinnacle pilot was telling us to be patient when their MEC proposed a picket due to impatience and incompetence. I was curious to see what ALPA national had to say about the courageous 9E pilots standing up against the management rats. Oh that's right, we never heard anything about it because it was not supported by National, Delta, Colgan or Mesaba.

The fact is we are just all sick of the constant BS that stems from all things Pinnacle over the course of the past year. I am sure Bloch is sick of it also.
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[RJLoser]

I'm sick of all the BS. Yours and ours.