Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan SLI!

[Simon Says]

I can assure you 100% that a request was made during bankruptcy. I was actively involved in the discussions of bankruptcy. W.G. official answer included that the LOA was not active because the situations were not similar. BTW, his answer was in writing and read to the LEC and MEC. PCL128 is not W.G so he does not know. He just knows what the reps know.

 

[DoinTime]

W.G. official answer included that the LOA was not active because the situations were not similar.

Sounds pretty accurate to me. The situations were not even close to being similar to the LOA situation. PCL was losing aircraft during the NWA/Mesaba bankruptcy right along with NWA and Mesaba (the aircraft that were removed from PCL were later reallocated to Mesaba). What the Mesaba MEC was trying to do was just a seniority grab.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Does someone have the text or know where to find the LOA on the ALPA site? It's pretty clear on when the LOA is to be activated.

 

[CptMurf]

Does someone have the text or know where to find the LOA on the ALPA site? It's pretty clear on when the LOA is to be activated.

Uhhhh, look in your old contract. It's right there.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

I have no idea where that is anymore. It used to be on the airlinkpilots website until it was taken down. As long as it's "active" I figured it should be in the electronic version of the new one.

 

[xjhawk]

Sounds pretty accurate to me. The situations were not even close to being similar to the LOA situation. PCL was losing aircraft during the NWA/Mesaba bankruptcy right along with NWA and Mesaba (the aircraft that were removed from PCL were later reallocated to Mesaba). What the Mesaba MEC was trying to do was just a seniority grab.

You are calling 3:1 or 5:1 a seniority grab? Give me a break. WHat the Pinnacle MEC is doing now is a seniority grab at mostly colgans expense. I am surprised that they did not propose a staple to the arbitrator

 

[xjhawk]

oh and that LOA-not even close to the same situation-so to quote your union (when we proposed it in bankruptcy) "does not apply."

 

[Flyer1015]

WHat the Pinnacle MEC is doing now is a seniority grab at mostly colgans expense.

Well, since Pinnacle holdings purchased Colgan, Colgan got all the 'seniority grab' at Pinnacle's expense, in the form of tremendous growth, quick movement, lots of upgrades/newhires, all at the time that Pinnacle was being downgraded and displaced. Not once, but twice during the same time. Colgan is where it is now at Pinnacle's expense.

 

[CptMurf]

Well, since Pinnacle holdings purchased Colgan, Colgan got all the 'seniority grab' at Pinnacle's expense, in the form of tremendous growth, quick movement, lots of upgrades/newhires, all at the time that Pinnacle was being downgraded and displaced. Not once, but twice during the same time. Colgan is where it is now at Pinnacle's expense.

And 9E is where it is at XJs 2002-2005 expense.
And XJ was were it was at Express' 1996-1997 expense.
And there are people on all the lists that lived through these situations.

 

[bri5150]

Well, since Pinnacle holdings purchased Colgan, Colgan got all the 'seniority grab' at Pinnacle's expense, in the form of tremendous growth, quick movement, lots of upgrades/newhires, all at the time that Pinnacle was being downgraded and displaced. Not once, but twice during the same time. Colgan is where it is now at Pinnacle's expense.

And why is it things before July 1st of last year didn't done (other than bitchin') and things after July 1st ARE getting done? Why didn't you guys get a single seniority list with the Colgan purchase? Why didn't you guys get a contract before July 1st? Why were you guys running so short handed before July 1st? Why were your rates so low before July 1st?