Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan SLI!

[nellie2110]

Not sure in what gas world pinnacle thinks their 124(Not sure what their exact number is at now) 200s are good for. They are going to be shrunk down to some number soon enough. At least mesaba's remaining fleet contains almost all 900(largest operator of 900s than any other single carrier) and is for now the new favorite plane of delta or any other carrier(as far as rjs go) that has the room in the scope. I would say that holds a lot more marketable value than returned 200s.

Not to mention with the contract that was mostly mesaba's old current contract, pinnacle has to hire around 250 people to properly staff now. So that would make 250+80 (flow)-200 (from lost of saabs) still a net gain of 130 jobs. There is more credit towards mesaba than what some are saying.

 

[Flyer1015]

Both previous two posts are talking about the indefinite future. The indefinite future is not what matters right now for the SLI, it's the current state, and more importantly, the state that each carrier was in at the time of purchase. If history is any lesson regarding arbitrated lists, any furloughees (Mesaba) are gonna be looking at a pretty harsh spot on the list. As for the rest, it doesn't matter if 6 years from now, Pinnacle may start losing the CRJ-200s. What matters now, is that the current state of each airline in determing the position on the list. Not what 'could' happen in 6 years. Oil prices, 50 seaters, speculation, are all out of the picture. What's in the picture is the snapshot of where each airline stands. For reasons already mentioned, Mesaba was already headed down the road of shrinkage to just 60 airplanes. Colgan was, and is, growing rapidly. Pinnacle is just stable with no net gain/loss of airplanes. But a steady attrition (even if a trickle at times) ensures our hiring and upgrading. Mesaba is another story. Like Comair, Mesaba's standalone future this year and next is just 60 planes.

 

[Smarta$$]

What's fair to you?

I was talking about P.P.

 

[nellie2110]

Not sure what attrition you are talking about, but mesaba has the same going on (along with all the other regionals whos pilots get hired some where)when there are airlines hiring, plus they have the delta flow. So that is a wash and doesn't make a difference either way. The only attrition other than that is lower seniority people quitting, because they are unhappy with their QOL of life and working there. Now we are back to that contract thing.

I will agree as of today there are no 50 seaters leaving and the saabs are going away(snapshot). The contract from mesaba still brought at least 50 jobs (the very low end of the estimation see below for calculations) to pinnacle due to staffing(snapshot).

If you look at just today as you like to, no 50 seaters leaving, no flow guys leaving, and all the saabs going away(snapshot). 250 (at least needed for proper staffing)-200(lost from saab)=50 jobs gained(snapshot).

Not sure why everyone can't agree for the most part everyone has brought a piece to the table and helped each other in one form or another. But most never will and that will make for one place I am not excited to work at or be around.

 

[CptMurf]

Both previous two posts are talking about the indefinite future. The indefinite future is not what matters right now for the SLI, it's the current state, and more importantly, the state that each carrier was in at the time of purchase. If history is any lesson regarding arbitrated lists, any furloughees (Mesaba) are gonna be looking at a pretty harsh spot on the list. As for the rest, it doesn't matter if 6 years from now, Pinnacle may start losing the CRJ-200s. What matters now, is that the current state of each airline in determing the position on the list. Not what 'could' happen in 6 years. Oil prices, 50 seaters, speculation, are all out of the picture. What's in the picture is the snapshot of where each airline stands. For reasons already mentioned, Mesaba was already headed down the road of shrinkage to just 60 airplanes. Colgan was, and is, growing rapidly. Pinnacle is just stable with no net gain/loss of airplanes. But a steady attrition (even if a trickle at times) ensures our hiring and upgrading. Mesaba is another story. Like Comair, Mesaba's standalone future this year and next is just 60 planes.

The current state is... oil is above $100 a barrel, DAL is discussing furloughs, and the 200's are on the chopping block. Get over yourself. We are all doomed.

 

[CptMurf]

A though on "career expectation"...

For those that would use a definition of "career expectation" as that of current PR announcements on a particular date are asinine.

In that case the career expectation of the FO's at XJ ala 2005 was that they were Captains. Oh yeah, we didn't receive those announced airplanes.
In the case of our stability ala 2006, our new 10 year service agreement was routed in 6 weeks.
The career expectation of the FO's at XJ ala 2008 was that they were Captains. Oh yeah, we didn't receive those announced airplanes.
The career expectation of the FO's ala 2010 was to be furloughed, for most that didn't happen.

Don't give me some crap of what you thought was going to happen, based on a PR statement. The snapshot at the purchase was... Who was hired and who wasn't. Who had what airplanes on property and who didn't. To think anything else, especially for your own gain, is screwing over a fellow pilot and their families. This is not the time for huge gains, it's a time of finding a fair integration that doesn't provide windfalls for any one group.

 

[gojo]

For Colgan's Saabs.

Please do not misconstrue the fact that you have 90 guys eligible to leave for Delta as some sort of equal footing for the massive furloughs XJ would have endured had this deal not occurred.

Without the deal, you'd have 300+ on the street with more looking down the barrel in 2011.

I'm not saying you should kiss our feet, but please don't delude yourselves either.

Both previous two posts are talking about the indefinite future. The indefinite future is not what matters right now for the SLI, it's the current state, and more importantly, the state that each carrier was in at the time of purchase. If history is any lesson regarding arbitrated lists, any furloughees (Mesaba) are gonna be looking at a pretty harsh spot on the list. As for the rest, it doesn't matter if 6 years from now, Pinnacle may start losing the CRJ-200s. What matters now, is that the current state of each airline in determing the position on the list. Not what 'could' happen in 6 years. Oil prices, 50 seaters, speculation, are all out of the picture. What's in the picture is the snapshot of where each airline stands. For reasons already mentioned, Mesaba was already headed down the road of shrinkage to just 60 airplanes. Colgan was, and is, growing rapidly. Pinnacle is just stable with no net gain/loss of airplanes. But a steady attrition (even if a trickle at times) ensures our hiring and upgrading. Mesaba is another story. Like Comair, Mesaba's standalone future this year and next is just 60 planes.

Well if it isn't the same two clowns that were spouting off prior to getting our TA. When are you going to figure out that we are all puppets that are being controlled by Delta. Pinnacle had nothing to do with purchasing Mesaba. Delta handed it to them on a silver platter. There wasn't a down payment. In fact it's self sustaining. The monthly revenue is set up to make the payment to Delta and gaurentees a profit. Pinnacle is not our saviors. Delta scripted all of this.

 

[bri5150]

Both previous two posts are talking about the indefinite future. The indefinite future is not what matters right now for the SLI, it's the current state, and more importantly, the state that each carrier was in at the time of purchase. If history is any lesson regarding arbitrated lists, any furloughees (Mesaba) are gonna be looking at a pretty harsh spot on the list. As for the rest, it doesn't matter if 6 years from now, Pinnacle may start losing the CRJ-200s. What matters now, is that the current state of each airline in determing the position on the list. Not what 'could' happen in 6 years. Oil prices, 50 seaters, speculation, are all out of the picture. What's in the picture is the snapshot of where each airline stands. For reasons already mentioned, Mesaba was already headed down the road of shrinkage to just 60 airplanes. Colgan was, and is, growing rapidly. Pinnacle is just stable with no net gain/loss of airplanes. But a steady attrition (even if a trickle at times) ensures our hiring and upgrading. Mesaba is another story. Like Comair, Mesaba's standalone future this year and next is just 60 planes.

Great, then I want credit in SLI for not being able to flow to Delta now. I also want credit for very little gains in the contract, while the other two airlines got huge gains. You guys were headed down the road of no contract for 6 years and crappy ass management. We all have our good parts and our bad. Fair integration is the way to go. Somewhere between DoH and relative is the only thing that would be fair.

 

[belliott]

The current state is... oil is above $100 a barrel, DAL is discussing furloughs, and the 200's are on the chopping block. Get over yourself. We are all doomed.

Uhhhmmm... oil is below 100 as of right now bub... www.oil-price.net check it out. I think we won't see any furloughs (industry wide) or any planes being parked if this trend continues.

 

[belliott]

Double post.