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scoreboardII said:
. You giving an over under for this wager?
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Europe at SWA? On which plane again? 737-700 or 737-800s? Sun Country can do it with a stop in Gander I guess. I just don't see it in their grand plan, and I first want to see them get slaughtered going to Hawaii first against Hawaiian Airlines. The Airtran guys had better be skeptical of these grandiose plans. Ryanair in Europe also planned trans Atlantic flying but gave up on those plans too. It just isn't a part of a LCC plan.
 
johnsonrod said:
Just ones with cocky pilots.
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That's EVERY airline out there. You can't judge a whole airline by a few pilots here on FI. Nothing wrong with a little pride in your company. Makes for better moral, thus a more enjoyable work experience. BTW-not a SWA pilot.
 
say again said:
That's EVERY airline out there. You can't judge a whole airline by a few pilots here on FI. Nothing wrong with a little pride in your company. Makes for better moral, thus a more enjoyable work experience. BTW-not a SWA pilot.
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I know there are cocky guys at each airline, but the responses on this board by SWA pilots make me cringe. Really, it is embarrassing, and shows the true colors of some of them. That constant "I am better than you (AT) and you will kiss MY feet if you want to be a corndog" attitude is just over the top, and it makes me root for the AT guys even more. And, there is no way I would want to fly for Southwest, regardless of their pay. I didnt think you could stuff that much ego into a 737 cockpit. They sure are cocky for going to Omaha in a 737......
 
FlyinGuy said:
If you have not figured it out yet, JRod is the General.
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Right. Every guy who doesn't like your attitudes is The General. I hope to fly at his airline someday, though. You guys swarm all over anyone who doesn't agree with your own beliefs. It will be interesting to watch your matriculation with the Airtran pilots. Maybe the cockiness level will come down.
 
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stalker said:
Your daddy must be so proud!
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So far he is. I would love to follow his lead and do what he did. He retired with a large pension, flying 747s all over the World. The pension part may not be a part of the new Delta, but seeing the World would be. All I do now are short hops around Texas and throughout the East Coast mainly. Time for something different. I hope it works out.
 
stalker said:
You would know the distance to fall! It wasn't that long ago when you guys thought you were so good that you refused to ride in a crew van with anyone else!
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Actually it wasn't that we refused to ride with anyone else, just pft toolbags like sw pilots.:laugh:
 
Easy now, Scope:

By your own definition, you're a PFT'er (since you paid for ratings required by your company).

I'm still waiting for you to answer my challenge as to how much of your own money you've spent on your career and ratings compared to me. The silence is deafening...
 
Candide said:
Easy now, Scope:

By your own definition, you're a PFT'er (since you paid for ratings required by your company).

I'm still waiting for you to answer my challenge as to how much of your own money you've spent on your career and ratings compared to me. The silence is deafening...
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His argument is BS. Explain how PFT is relevant to those who already had the type from other companies? I've been waiting for a reasonable response, from anyone, explaining why SWA was PFT. The hired pilot paid absolutely no money to SWA for their training. SWA received no compensation from hired pilot. The 737 type is a requirement for employment. How you get it? Well, that's up to candidate.
 
johnsonrod said:
Right. Every guy who doesn't like your attitudes is The General. I hope to fly at his airline someday, though. You guys swarm all over anyone who doesn't agree with your own beliefs. It will be interesting to watch your matriculation with the Airtran pilots. Maybe the cockiness level will come down.
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scoreboardII said:
Neither was LAX, MDW, BWI, FLL, ATL, EWR, LGA, PHL, MSP, DTW, and on and on...

We'll see you again in 2015 plus or minus 24 months...
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So says someone who's own airline can't even do ETOPS. Did you say plus or minus 24 years? A lot of those cities above came about because you were getting planes and didn't know what to do with them. You also did not want EWR, but were handed it by default from the govt due to the UAL/CAL merger, after Airtran decided to get out of there too. But now that you are getting Tunica, Gulfport, and Key West, dreaming about London and Paris is natural, I guess? Keep dreamin!
 
say again said:
His argument is BS. Explain how PFT is relevant to those who already had the type from other companies? I've been waiting for a reasonable response, from anyone, explaining why SWA was PFT. The hired pilot paid absolutely no money to SWA for their training. SWA received no compensation from hired pilot. The 737 type is a requirement for employment. How you get it? Well, that's up to candidate.
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So, SWA can't afford to give full initial 737 ground school and types to newhires? Oh, that's how they stay profitable, taking advantage of newhires? Is that how it works? SWA just takes advantage of the fact that newhires "accidentally" already have the type in hand? Don't act dumb Say Again. Maybe you equating having the $200 FE written needed for FedEx with the $7000 737 type needed for SWA. You have a hard time equating numbers......
 
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Yep, you cracked the code. A 10 billion dollar company stays profitable by not giving their pilots training on the 737. WOW, what a smart dude you are. Now, go out and be Herb and start your own airline. You know how to do it and be profitable. You the man, will you accept my resume?
 
So says someone who's own airline can't even do ETOPS.
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You evidently haven't heard every some -700's starting 2012 and every -800 we receive will be ETOPS equiped. Now, why would SWA do that? Who's the one going taking it just a little to personal?
 
Bake said:
Yep, you cracked the code. A 10 billion dollar company stays profitable by not giving their pilots training on the 737. WOW, what a smart dude you are. Now, go out and be Herb and start your own airline. You know how to do it and be profitable. You the man, will you accept my resume?
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No, you cracked the code! Why does a $10 billion company STILL do that? I guess that goes away with the AT merger! Yes! Another good thing coming from the AT merger. Many of those 717 guys don't have that 737 type ya know..... And, if I ever did start an airline while drinking Wild Turkey, I would not make people I trusted to keep my airline flying pay their way to come onboard. But, sounds like you would do ANYTHING to get on. But, you just flunked the interview.
 
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scoreboardII said:
You evidently haven't heard every some -700's starting 2012 and every -800 we receive will be ETOPS equiped. Now, why would SWA do that? Who's the one going taking it just a little to personal?
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See, you are still learning. I am pretty sure you need FAA approval before you are ETOPS certified. You can buy the equipment all you want, but you have to go through hoops for the FAA before you ACTUALLY do it with paying pax. Tell me you already knew that, right? I fly an RJ and I already knew that. Do you know how to use the VNAV yet? I've read about them if you need help. Maybe the Airtran guys can help you out with the ETOPS stuff, if you'll let them. So nice of them!
 
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Do you know what a textual dp is? When and why you have to use it? Have you had to figure out 2nd segment climb? Or are you one of those guys that thinks when the atis says 1000 broken, it means 1000 msl. I bet when they say "hold for release" you look at the fo and say "so we're good to go?". But then, they don't do that in SLC.
 
If SWA wants ETOPS they will have it. It is all just a matter of time, money and paper work. If a little company like Miami Air with 8 737's can get 180 minute ETOPS don't you think SWA can. Really? It won't happen over night but I would be willing to bet by the end of 2012(or sooner) it will be done. Assuming they want it. Its not rocket surgery!
 
PCL_128 said:
The pay issue is already out of the way. Because the ATN pilot group is less than 35% of the combined group, the SWAPA contract is automatically the surviving contract when the pilot groups are merged, and SWAPA is the surviving union. There doesn't have to be a JCBA negotiation. So, in effect, we already have a JCBA. It's just the current SWA contract.
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For a second I almost thought PCL was on the right track. He is correct when he says there doesn't have to be a JCBA. But then he makes the mistake when saying he already 'effectively' has a JCBA in SWA's current contract. The problem is that PCL, nor the rest of his MEC, have much control over when (or even if) he and his peeps get to work under the current SWA contract. So to make a slight correction (since the JCBA would cover the time between now and when we're one airline), your JCBA by default is your current ATN contract. Enjoy it, you may be working under it for a while!
 

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