Airtran Pilots

[FlyinGuy]

It doesn't matter who acquired, who in a SLI. The nature of a corporate transaction doesn't allow one pilot to buy another pilots seat just because the BOD at each carrier entered into a transaction. Delta bought NWA, AWA bought US, so what.

What does SLI stand for???? Anyone......

Seniority List Integration....not Seat List Integration!!!

If it said SEAT, this would be easier for everyone. So anytime I hear this argument that a AT capt has to stay a capt, I pretty much dismiss anything you have to say. Why, because you are being the same as you are accusing the SWA guys of being...Biased.

There are so many factors that are considered when making these decisions, a "keep your seat" statement is very shallow. I know it makes for great arguments, but it does not take into account every other factor that is involved.

That being said, I know that I will get the typical responses...but just try to keep a little bit of reality in the discussion.

 

[johnsonrod]

Really? This isn't high school.




Look, what I mean is that usually when people have such strong opinions on the subject matter, it's because they are somehow involved or affected by it. "Skin in the game," if you will. Looking at your profile, presumably still being a 145 driver (not knocking it, just concluding that you don't fly for either WN or AAI) I was just wondering how you could possibly feel so strongly that you make statements like:

I have stated on this board already that my father recently retired as a whale captain at Delta, so he obviously was a Northwest pilot. It's been a couple years, but he went through all that stuff too. (I was an ERJ FO at the time).
So, having listened to my Dad talk to his Reps throughout the process, I feel like I have an understanding. As far as the last comment goes, that stems from the unbelievable cockiness the SWA group has on this board, and the total disregard of everything the Airtran pilots and company will bring to Southwest. Really, a lot of you are way over the top.

 

[johnsonrod]

What does SLI stand for???? Anyone......

Seniority List Integration....not Seat List Integration!!!

If it said SEAT, this would be easier for everyone. So anytime I hear this argument that a AT capt has to stay a capt, I pretty much dismiss anything you have to say. Why, because you are being the same as you are accusing the SWA guys of being...Biased.

There are so many factors that are considered when making these decisions, a "keep your seat" statement is very shallow. I know it makes for great arguments, but it does not take into account every other factor that is
involved.

That being said, I know that I will get the typical responses...but just try to keep a little bit of reality in the discussion.

You are right, the SLI will only determine your seniority number, and won't kick you out of your seat. The problem will come when GK decides to move 717s West, or move other planes around. When that happens, your new seniority number will help decide if you can still hold that seat and at which base. There is no doubt Ty will hold his left seat initially throughout the process. But, will he hold it after planes are moved around?

 

[FDJ2]

What does SLI stand for???? Anyone......

Seniority List Integration....not Seat List Integration!!!

If it said SEAT, this would be easier for everyone. So anytime I hear this argument that a AT capt has to stay a capt, I pretty much dismiss anything you have to say. Why, because you are being the same as you are accusing the SWA guys of being...Biased.

There are so many factors that are considered when making these decisions, a "keep your seat" statement is very shallow. I know it makes for great arguments, but it does not take into account every other factor that is involved.

That being said, I know that I will get the typical responses...but just try to keep a little bit of reality in the discussion.

Taking a comment out of context to make your point?

My comment was in response to the ascertion that the nature of a corporate transaction (who acquired who) is germane to the construction of an SLI.

It's not.

Whenever I hear someone say it is, I realize they have no idea what they're talking about.

I'm sure that ultimately the new SWA will do well, but I'm also sure, judging by the comments made on this forum, that there will be many expectations not met by the SWA pilots who post here when all is said and done.

 

[SWA/FO]

You are right, the SLI will only determine your seniority number

You should've stopped typing right there.

 

[johnsonrod]

You should've stopped typing right there.

And you should keep reading from that point. You think SWAPA will be making the rules, and that just won't happen. You thought you could staple pilots, and that was proven incorrect. You think you can create separate entities, but AT's own contract says NO. You really don't know what you are talking about. You are gonna get hosed. This will be fun to watch! What a trian wreck waiting to happen.

 

[GuppyWN]

And you should keep reading from that point. You think SWAPA will be making the rules, and that just won't happen. You thought you could staple pilots, and that was proven incorrect. You think you can create separate entities, but AT's own contract says NO. You really don't know what you are talking about. You are gonna get hosed. This will be fun to watch! What a trian wreck waiting to happen.

Stapling a bankrupt carrier is still a fair deal in my book. Did you know the Frontier pilots arbitration stance was to staple EVERY Republic AND Midwest pilot below the most junior Frontier FO? Didn't think so.

We don't think we can create separate entities and wouldn't want a whipsaw. What "we" are more than willing to do is build a big fence.

Try again boy.

Gup

 

[Quimby]

And you should keep reading from that point. You think SWAPA will be making the rules, and that just won't happen. You thought you could staple pilots, and that was proven incorrect. You think you can create separate entities, but AT's own contract says NO. You really don't know what you are talking about. You are gonna get hosed. This will be fun to watch! What a trian wreck waiting to happen.

You talk a lot.

 

[johnsonrod]

Stapling a bankrupt carrier is still a fair deal in my book. Did you know the Frontier pilots arbitration stance was to staple EVERY Republic AND Midwest pilot below the most junior Frontier FO? Didn't think so.

We don't think we can create separate entities and wouldn't want a whipsaw. What "we" are more than willing to do is build a big fence.

Try again boy.

Gup

Thanks Pops..... In arbitration your lawyers will try to get the best SLI for their team. But, you don't shove it in the other side's face. You will be flying with these people eventually. The NWA pilots went for DOH, and the Delta guys went for straight relative, and it turned out to be a little from both, eventually favoring Delta a bit more. The Frontier guys were also told by Bedford that they would be by themselves, but didn't know about Republic's contract, just like you don't know much about the Airtran contract. It can come back to bite you. And, how would you have a fence and not swap planes around through different hub or focus cities? Would Airtran 737 pilots only fly their own planes? Sounds inefficient, and like a seperate operation, which may not be allowed in Airtran's contract. Also sounds like a B-scale operation, and a culture killer. Not a good plan, Stan.... But I suggest you do it. I bet Delta would approve!

 

[johnsonrod]

You talk a lot.

You are forgettable.