Airtran Pilots

[GuppyWN]

Thanks Pops..... In arbitration your lawyers will try to get the best SLI for their team. But, you don't shove it in the other side's face. You will be flying with these people eventually. The NWA pilots went for DOH, and the Delta guys went for straight relative, and it turned out to be a little from both, eventually favoring Delta a bit more. The Frontier guys were also told by Bedford that they would be by themselves, but didn't know about Republic's contract, just like you don't know much about the Airtran contract. It can come back to bite you. And, how would you have a fence and not swap planes around through different hub or focus cities? Would Airtran 737 pilots only fly their own planes? Sounds inefficient, and like a seperate operation, which may not be allowed in Airtran's contract. Also sounds like a B-scale operation, and a culture killer. Not a good plan, Stan.... But I suggest you do it. I bet Delta would approve!

Only shows your true ignorance to what my brothers and my future Airtran brothers face.

Every WN pilot I have talked to wants a peaceful resolution and UNITY going forward. A fair agreement will foster that but yes, I do think any agreement should be tilted WN's way.

A fence has nothing to do with fleet type. I has everything to do with the number of seats in a base (excluding expansion of said base), who holds them and for how long.

Another East vs. West will hurt us in the long run. Hopefully calmer heads will prevail.

Gup

 

[texman]

Flying into ATL is no challenge at all. 10, 15, and even 20 mile finals are normal. ATC tells you how fast to fly, and always give you a good turn onto final. The challenge for LUV will be the quick turns with all the ramp congestion. If any of you don't think they are studying that as we speak you are crazy. LUV will not crush the big D in ATL but sure will be a bigger thorn in their side then little old AAI. Should be interesting to watch.

While the long line may be true. A former ATL controller told me that having a company that is willing except visuals all the time will help reduce there work load a lot. I see a lot of 15 mile finals for delta but not SWA. Example LAX. Just got to click off the automation and fly like a -200. Get er done!LOL

 

[ATLplt]

While the long line may be true. A former ATL controller told me that having a company that is willing except visuals all the time will help reduce there work load a lot. I see a lot of 15 mile finals for delta but not SWA. Example LAX. Just got to click off the automation and fly like a -200. Get er done!LOL

You will almost always get a visual into Atlanta unless the visibility is down. Every airline, including Delta, accepts them. Southwest isn't rewriting the book here. Volume stretches final to 20+, not our unwillingness to crank out a 2 mile final. That and the fact that your downwind is flown 11,000 ft above the field makes super short approaches "sporty".

Gup, good post. A lot of unity after the fact is what, I believe, all of us want. Getting there will be bumpy, but the road will eventually smooth out.

 

[Ty Webb]

While the long line may be true. A former ATL controller told me that having a company that is willing except visuals all the time will help reduce there work load a lot. I see a lot of 15 mile finals for delta but not SWA. Example LAX. Just got to click off the automation and fly like a -200. Get er done!LOL

Accepting a visual only goes so far in ATL and usually involves calling the traffic you are following, not the airport. That does get the separation down a little and helps the hourly arrival rate, but it doesn't shave a whole lot off of your own particular "aerial tour", since you were probably somewhere between 7000 and 11000 on the downwind. The exception to that is Rwy 10-28, but it is so far from the terminal you wouldn't normally want to use it.

I think anyone who was operating into PHL or BWI before SWA arrived probably noticed a subsequent big improvement in the ground operation, which I suspect was the result of coordination between SWA and local powers-that-be (and perhaps a few big TV's donated for ATC break rooms). Sequencing is no longer a closely-held secret during the early-morning congestion and I can actually single-engine taxi . . . at least before the PHL taxiways start melting in the summertime heat . . . :laugh:

So, like BWI and PHL, I would suspect we'll see some improvements in ATL Ramp and Ground Ops that will improve turn times as much as possible. De-Ice operations will no doubt change considerably from their present Ringling Bros. 3-ring operation.

 

[texman]

Good info Ty.

 

[Ty Webb]

Good info Ty.

Thanks. I think all of us at AAI believe that our operation has a lot of potential that has never been utilized, and are looking forward to seeing what changes SWA can bring to make it run more smoothly and be more profitable. Kind of like taking an old muscle car to the high-performance shop.

 

[Crash Pad]

Wait a minute...I'm starting to sense some civility here. Is everyone feeling ok today?

 

[FDJ2]

Many might be disappointed, but in the end it is up to each individual to determine their own happiness. When it is over....it is over! We must all move on as a new SWA no matter how it ends.

Agreed. Well said.

 

[texman]

Thanks. I think all of us at AAI believe that our operation has a lot of potential that has never been utilized, and are looking forward to seeing what changes SWA can bring to make it run more smoothly and be more profitable. Kind of like taking an old muscle car to the high-performance shop.

Your are spot on. GK will SWA effect the ATL ops. I know Delta is the big player, but once the operation goes into full swing you will see a lot great productive trips. More time at home with the family. Europe will be in our reach, by 2015. South America ops will go out of HOU. Gk is in the process trying to get US customs full time in HOU. Things that make you go mmmmmm.

 

[texman]

Wait a minute...I'm starting to sense some civility here. Is everyone feeling ok today?

When are we going to get our drink on Beeeeaaaatch!