To ALL UNITED pilots courtesy of ALL UAX carriers and their pilots

[Shrek]

UAX there was a better way to go then to give an ultimatum.

Doesn't work in marriage/mergers/debates/or Jumpseats........

 

[Evansaero]

United controls all seats on all its express carriers when they fly for United. Legally. I think you might find out the hard way on this one.

We have control of the gate through our computers and agents, see the post above.

We also purchased every seat in the back long ago through fee-for-departure. You subcontract, we "own" the seats to resell. United, if it chose, could even pull pass privileges for any particular group.
It can automatically give every United pilot a positive space seat. Etc.

I'm not saying any of this will happen, just that is what we are capable of.

They don't own MY jumpseat.

On a side note all are welcome except Gojet. I have my own little war to fight

 

[MountainFreak]

And yet, you won't solve the problem... Hmmm

READ THE MEC MESSAGE!

We control access to the gate, but we are talking about a software issue and what Apollo will or won't recognize. It is not an easy fix.

But here is the crux of the issue. UAX airlines want the cost advantage of using UAL computers, software, agents, and access. They want UAL to spend a lot of money to fix software which any Captain could fix at the gate by being a Captain.

More importantly, if you really believe a computer fix is required, then fix it yourselves! Buy your own terminal for every gate, buy and program your own software, and control your own access. You have every right to. You can start tomorrow.

UAX won't though, because they don't want to spend their own money, they want to spend ours.

 

[strega7]

UAX won't though, because they don't want to spend their own money, they want to spend ours.

UAL was more than willing to spend the money that has put us in the positon we are in now. If the MEC hadn't asked for (from all) and gotten super jumpseat priority (at 2) we wouldn't be here. I'm not suprise that management is tired of MEC requested changes that cost money.

 

[ATA For Now!]

UAL was more than willing to spend the money that has put us in the positon we are in now. If the MEC hadn't asked for (from all) and gotten super jumpseat priority (at 2) we wouldn't be here. I'm not suprise that management is tired of MEC requested changes that cost money.

For the last time....the MEC NEVER asked for this....read the UA MEC letter. UA pilots understand there is a problem. Just be a CAPTAIN and exercise some good judgement here. I would NEVER, EVER try to take a seat from someone on their own airline.

I am done with this whole thing. It's like talking to my 2 year old when SHE doesn't get her way. You guys have fun.

I'm out!

RV

 

[bmpilot2003]

READ THE MEC MESSAGE!

We control access to the gate, but we are talking about a software issue and what Apollo will or won't recognize. It is not an easy fix.

But here is the crux of the issue. UAX airlines want the cost advantage of using UAL computers, software, agents, and access. They want UAL to spend a lot of money to fix software which any Captain could fix at the gate by being a Captain.

More importantly, if you really believe a computer fix is required, then fix it yourselves! Buy your own terminal for every gate, buy and program your own software, and control your own access. You have every right to. You can start tomorrow.

UAX won't though, because they don't want to spend their own money, they want to spend ours.

Nice try... Most of the infrastructure was/is already in place for united airplanes. The only thing that changed was the size of the airplane at the gate. All because UAL pilots were to good to fly RJs

 

[bmpilot2003]

For the last time....the MEC NEVER asked for this....read the UA MEC letter. UA pilots understand there is a problem. Just be a CAPTAIN and exercise some good judgement here. I would NEVER, EVER try to take a seat from someone on their own airline.

I am done with this whole thing. It's like talking to my 2 year old when SHE doesn't get her way. You guys have fun.

I'm out!

RV

Your right they did not ask they STOLE it and for 2 years have been unwilling to right a wrong. Lets put this in a context you can understand your 2 year old steals something and you do nothing because your ok with that. Its good to know that you are teaching your 2 year old that stealing is ok.

 

[eaglesview]

Nice try... Most of the infrastructure was/is already in place for united airplanes. The only thing that changed was the size of the airplane at the gate. All because UAL pilots were to good to fly RJs

United guys wanted the RJ's. You however willing to do it for slave wages. Let the games begin. I got no problem denying jumpseats. UAX'rs will find out how unified we can be.

 

[waveflyer]

you're all balls eaglesview--- too bad no guts when it comes to your management and selling out the next generation-- and ultimately yourself.

 

[eaglesview]

you're all balls eaglesview--- too bad no guts when it comes to your management and selling out the next generation-- and ultimately yourself.

"All Balls,No guts???" Very clever

 

[bmpilot2003]

United guys wanted the RJ's. You however willing to do it for slave wages. Let the games begin. I got no problem denying jumpseats. UAX'rs will find out how unified we can be.

Oh really were was your unity then? Slave wages that were set by your so called unity. You OLD PEOPLE have continued(age 65) to screw the younger generation of pilots and then have the audacity to say its our fault?! Its sad that it has always been about "YOU" and not the group.

 

[eaglesview]

Oh really were was your unity then? Slave wages that were set by your so called unity. You OLD PEOPLE have continued(age 65) to screw the younger generation of pilots and then have the audacity to say its our fault?! Its sad that it has always been about "YOU" and not the group.

Love how you "know" me. Is 46 old, if yes then I am old.

 

[imacdog]

United guys wanted the RJ's. You however willing to do it for slave wages. Let the games begin. I got no problem denying jumpseats. UAX'rs will find out how unified we can be.

It was still your flying to give away, no? That part in your contract called Scope that you voted away? Just curious.

 

[pipe]

Oh...BTW Pipe, those are UAL domiciles. have fun with that. god you guys are arrogant! just fix the DAMN problem....issue over.

You guys -- that's funny! I don't work for UAL or any subsidiary thereof. Mine is the opinion of the "average" guy from another carrier. UAX guys might want to consider that.

PIPE

 

[Mr.B]

United guys wanted the RJ's. You however willing to do it for slave wages. Let the games begin. I got no problem denying jumpseats. UAX'rs will find out how unified we can be.

AMEN. Had a jumpseater 2 weeks ago spouting off about getting the 190.

Two things to note;

1. The 190 won't be flying "United" flights, UAL pilots will.
2. Jumpseat on your own airline from now on.

 

[waveflyer]

"All Balls,No guts???" Very clever

Clever or not- just pointing out that this debate wouldn't be happening if all pilots flying the united brand around were on the same seniority list.

 

[eaglesview]

AMEN. Had a jumpseater 2 weeks ago spouting off about getting the 190.

Two things to note;

1. The 190 won't be flying "United" flights, UAL pilots will.
2. Jumpseat on your own airline from now on.

As a UAL pilot I am all for the 190 being flown by united pilots. As far as the jumpseat is concerned I do jumpseat on my own airline, UAL!

 

[waveflyer]

why weren't you 'FOR' the 170/ and CR7 being flown by united pilots?
why weren't you "for' the cr2 and erj135/145 being flown by ual pilots?
why was it acceptable to you that scope was being relaxed and relaxed?

oh.... yeah... now i remember--- pride. In the late 90's there were plenty of UAL pilots who thought the 73 was a 'light twin'

and meant it.

Ie: you got yours- you're a real pilot, flying heavies.... unionism doesn't work that way, and btw- neither does life

 

[eaglesview]

why weren't you 'FOR' the 170/ and CR7 being flown by united pilots?
why weren't you "for' the cr2 and erj135/145 being flown by ual pilots?
why was it acceptable to you that scope was being relaxed and relaxed?

oh.... yeah... now i remember--- pride. In the late 90's there were plenty of UAL pilots who thought the 73 was a 'light twin'

and meant it.

Ie: you got yours.... unionism doesn't work that way,

How do you know what I was for and wasn't for. To this day I have a "UA RJ" sticker on my bag. Here's a news flash one person's vote alone does not dictate how a union moves. Being with United thru the 90's I do not remember the 737 ever being refered to as the light twin.

You seem to get your kicks just making crap up pretending you know what the He// you are talking about.

 

[Freeze_gopher]

I keep waiting for cooler heads to prevail...The UAX letter was a mistake of colossal proportions. An information campaign is ok, asking UAL pilots to help is ok, threats are not ok. UAX pilots didn't even know this letter existed let alone what its contents were before it was sent. UAX pilots were not consulted prior to the letter being sent. The response to the letter was predictable. How do people respond to ultimatums....? Not well.
Not one guy I've spoken to is going to deny UAL pilots the jumpseats, I won't, its a ridiculous concept.
Beyond that UAL is going to get a certain level of priority, they pay the freight. The April 07 letter to UAX JSCs asking for priority was not unreasonable. It did not ask for priority over that companies pilots, just everybody else. Plus, the UAL guys have a lot on their plates right now. I have to admit that being perceived as being upset about the ease of my commute seems pretty petty in the face of 1400+ guys losing their jobs.
Common sense and deescalation are needed pronto.