Furloughs at Delta and Northwest

[Bob_Sacamano]

We lost you a billion dollars?!?!?! Your good buddy Leo and his buddies wasted that billion dollars to keep a bunch of families on food stamps. The total package we asked for would have only cost $30 Million a year. Leo & Company thought it was smarter to blow a million bucks to teach the lowly Connection carrier who was in charge. Blame your leaders, not the former Comair pilots.

You guys lost us $1 billion and we paid (along with everyone else) for your benefits during the strike. It was a failure, and then you didn't want to help our furloughed pilots unless you got more 70 seaters. Your sense of history is really screwed up.

And, can you tell me how a group of pilots who are about to get a 15% pay raise and are bringing old DC9s and 742s to the table are going to get screwed? Oh yeah, they have a chunk of retirements just before our own large chunk of retirements......Is that what you mean? You need to do some better research.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

We lost you a billion dollars?!?!?! Your good buddy Leo and his buddies wasted that billion dollars to keep a bunch of families on food stamps. The total package we asked for would have only cost $30 Million a year. Leo & Company thought it was smarter to blow a million bucks to teach the lowly Connection carrier who was in charge. Blame your leaders, not the Comair pilots.

You guys lost us $1 billion and we paid (along with everyone else) for your benefits during the strike. It was a failure, and then you didn't want to help our furloughed pilots unless you got more 70 seaters. Your sense of history is really screwed up.

And, can you tell me how a group of pilots who are about to get a 15% pay raise and are bringing old DC9s and 742s to the table are going to get screwed? Oh yeah, they have a chunk of retirements just before our own large chunk of retirements......Is that what you mean? You need to do some better research.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[737 Pylt]

737, too bad you guys can't post a "paper" profit. When's the next round of concessions?

Kind of like your paper girlfriend, or is she rubber?:laugh:

737

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

No. The Delta guys who walked on our picket line were always accompanied by a throng of photographers.

And you can't be serious saying that Delta pilots opened the Comair Strike Center?!?!? Then why were we assessed all those extra dues for it? And strangely enough, I don't recall any Delta guys at our Strike Center, other than picket line photo ops.

Were these the same Delta guys that walked the line with Comair guys and opened their strike center in an effort to help said striking Comair pilots? You are an idiot!

 

[737 Pylt]

No. The Delta guys who walked on our picket line were always accompanied by a throng of photographers.

And you can't be serious saying that Delta pilots opened the Comair Strike Center?!?!? Then why were we assessed all those extra dues for it? And strangely enough, I don't recall any Delta guys at our Strike Center, other than picket line photo ops.

Your strike cost our company $1billion! I blame the comair pilots for that loss!
And at least I was nice to you while you were a Walmart greeter!
737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Your strike cost our company $1billion! I blame the comair pilots for that loss!
And at least I was nice to you while you were a Walmart greeter!
737

What's a billion dollars to Delta? They lose 6.7 times that much in a quarter.

 

[737 Pylt]

What's a billion dollars to Delta? They lose 6.7 times that much in a quarter.

Imagine what we could do in a whole year!

I blame all those damn regional jets and comair pilots for all the losses!

737

 

[General Lee]

I know of 3 DAL junior pilots on the 767, 2 in JFK and 1 in ATL that commute from MSP that would gladly trade the 767 line holder life style for a MSP dc-9 reserve schedule. QOL is more important than what plane you fly or what airline fly for

That is absolutely ridiculous. Look at the difference between 1st and 2nd year pay on both of those planes. 2nd year pay on the 757/767 at DL could buy you an additional snow mobile to drive to the store in the Great White North, compared with 8th year pay on the DC9. Nah.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Sure they did. The only monetary support from the Delta pilots were the ALPA assessments. We kept track of all of the contributions we received over and above the assessments. There was less than a half a page from Delta pilots. We had literally hundreds of contributions from United, Northwest, even UPS and American.

And the only Delta pilots I ever saw while I was walking the line, would have other guys taking their photos.

As for the struck flying, I guess you never heard that DALPA's MEC Chairman told JC Lawson "******************** you, we're Delta. We'll do what we want." I guess JC was lying to my face when he told me that?

And I'm very grateful for the support we got from thousands of strangers. But it sure seemed like there was a huge lack of support from who we thought should have been our closest allies.

And just for the record, wasn't the Delta Strike Committee preparing for a possible DAL strike, in the event you didn't get United +1, not helping the Comair strike efforts, like you're letting on.

What a bunch of crap. I was there (on the Delta side) and the Delta pilots bent over backwards to help the Comair pilots. Our support was not just monetary, but operational as well as our pilots walked the line with you. Our strike committee was working 24/7 to ensure no struck flying was done by our pilots. I know firsthand that segments were canceled because of this. I don't expect a pat on the back or even acknowledgment, but reading lies from an ungrateful, disgruntled dog turd just irks me.

 

[737 Pylt]

Sure they did. The only monetary support from the Delta pilots were the ALPA assessments. We kept track of all of the contributions we received over and above the assessments. There was less than a half a page from Delta pilots. We had literally hundreds of contributions from United, Northwest, even UPS and American.

<yawn>!

And the only Delta pilots I ever saw while I was walking the line, would have other guys taking their photos.

So there were Delta pilots there walking the picket line? How many were there from United, Northwest, Even UPS and American?

As for the struck flying, I guess you never heard that DALPA's MEC Chairman told JC Lawson "******************** you, we're Delta. We'll do what we want." I guess JC was lying to my face when he told me that?

Yes, jc lawson was lying, he's quite good at it!

And I'm very grateful for the support we got from thousands of strangers. But it sure seemed like there was a huge lack of support from who we thought should have been our closest allies.

You mean those very same pilots you tried to sue?
The ones who were there walking the picket lines with you?

And just for the record, wasn't the Delta Strike Committee preparing for a possible DAL strike, in the event you didn't get United +1, not helping the Comair strike efforts, like you're letting on.

No, you're wrong, as usual!

737

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Thanks for the advice. No, my history is pretty much right on.

The Comair MEC, not the entire pilot group, recommended to the company that any furloughed Delta pilot should start at the bottom of the Comair list without super-seniority, and recommended they that require surrendering their Delta seniority number. Comair was free to do anything they wanted, by the way.

Personally, I didn't care if Comair hired anyone from Delta. But I wouldn't think it would be fair for them to get hired with super-seniority, since there had never been any sort of flow-through agreement. But the fact of the matter is that this whole issue was never even raised to the membership.

You shouldn't drink and type. You have a very warped sense of history. Explain to us again why Comair wouldn't help furloughed Delta pilots while ASA was more than accomodating? Who got screwed?

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

<yawn>!

I've always said there were Delta pilots there. I walked with 4 of them I think. And all had cameras clicking in their faces the whole time. I remember United, CAL, and NW guys with us. I don't recall any American or UPS guys walking, although they had hundreds of pilots that contributed to our pilots' fund.


So there were Delta pilots there walking the picket line? How many were there from United, Northwest, Even UPS and American?



Yes, jc lawson was lying, he's quite good at it!

I'm not sure about that. When I caught him lying, it was pretty obvious.



You mean those very same pilots you tried to sue?
The ones who were there walking the picket lines with you?

Uhhhh, I didn't sue anybody. Are you trying to group the entire Comair group with those RJDC guys? That group was made of of RJ guys from dozens of airlines, even your beloved ASA...Cooksey anyone?



No, you're wrong, as usual!

737

No, just not as stuck on myself as you guys.

 

[tblosser]

As for the struck flying, I guess you never heard that DALPA's MEC Chairman told JC Lawson "******************** you, we're Delta. We'll do what we want." I guess JC was lying to my face when he told me that?

I can’t comment on what Captain Lawson did or didn’t say but I remember referencing a DALPA published document in CVG while y’all were striking. The point of this document was to ensure that we did not fly struck work and we all took this very seriously. Are you suggesting that we were flying struck work?

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Nice mouth. Your boyfriend must love it when you talk dirty like that. Yet another gleaming example of a true Delta Professional.


Anyway, if you really did buy those 20 cups of coffee, thank you. But by your cool demeanor, you sure sound like one of the hecklers.

FU you F'ing F.

I remember buying your lines coffee in CVG and paying an assesement every week for you. Putz, pure putz---

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I AM suggesting that while our MEC was working with the DAL MEC to try and define the struck work, the Delta Chairman said F us, and that Delta would do whatever they wanted.

I can’t comment on what Captain Lawson did or didn’t say but I remember referencing a DALPA published document in CVG while y’all were striking. The point of this document was to ensure that we did not fly struck work and we all took this very seriously. Are you suggesting that we were flying struck work?

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

God, that sucks. There's no sickness like food poisoning from seafood. Isn't there some old wive's tale that you shouldn't eat oysters except in months that end in "r"?

Yes, Spondivits is around, but a bunch of people recently got sick on some oysters I believe. Also, if you have LONG layovers here (like during a European 6 day trip with ATL in the middle), I bet you would go downtown. I know a lot of our other bases have ATL layovers, and they stay downtown if they are over 12 hours.

I hope you are right about the DC9s and 742s. It just seems obvious that they could be parked. As far as the rest of the fleet goes, we are still getting more widebodies and 73NGs. That, along with your work rule changes to reflect ours will hopefully mitigate furloughs.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[~~~^~~~]

Does this board have moderators?

Bob Sacamano is out of line, off topic, and clearly flame baiting.

A terrorist has walked into the marketplace of ideas. Someone call security.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Luckily, I've always had an outside business interest, so I was fine. And I fly for a much more secure airline now. But it's nice that you're still making fun of the fact that some pilots were on assistance. Real classy.

Sorry Bob, I didn't know that was you.....:smash:
Did you ever get off food stamps??:laugh:

737

 

[tblosser]

Thanks for the advice. No, my history is pretty much right on.

The Comair MEC, not the entire pilot group, recommended to the company that any furloughed Delta pilot should start at the bottom of the Comair list without super-seniority, and recommended they that require surrendering their Delta seniority number. Comair was free to do anything they wanted, by the way.

Did any Comair pilot ever raise an objection at an MEC or LEC meeting? Was there ever a resolution introduced in opposition to it? Wasn’t the entire MEC including Captain JC Lawson re-elected by a large margin after this incident?

Personally, I didn't care if Comair hired anyone from Delta. But I wouldn't think it would be fair for them to get hired with super-seniority, since there had never been any sort of flow-through agreement. But the fact of the matter is that this whole issue was never even raised to the membership.

Was the membership aware of the actions taken on their behalf by the MEC? Did anyone object to the actions taken by the MEC? Once again didn’t the MEC get re-elected by a large margin? Sound like the membership approved of the actions of the MEC to me.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

You could blame Edgar Rice Burroughs for the loss, but that doesn't mean it's true.

But your Walmart comment really shows what a class act you are. Fulfilling the stereotype perfectly.

Your strike cost our company $1billion! I blame the comair pilots for that loss!
And at least I was nice to you while you were a Walmart greeter!
737