Furloughs at Delta and Northwest

[clippyrip]

Hey, I agree (of course) that I don't think any current Delta pilot should be furloughed for a parking of planes that weren't on our original property.

As far as Delta potentially parking ALL of the DC9s at once, I don't see that.

You choose to forget the fact that NWA brought more cash to this merger. That cash will be the life support for the new Delta and help pay for future aircraft. Good comes with the bad so if Delta parks NWA planes then we share the pains.

 

[clippyrip]

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[FDJ2]

You choose to forget the fact that NWA brought more cash to this merger.

Delta Air Lines Reports March 2008 Quarter Financial Results

As of March 31, 2008, Delta had $3.6 billion in unrestricted liquidity, including $1 billion available under its revolving credit facility.

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11053

Northwest Airlines Reports First Quarter 2008 Results

Northwest ended the quarter with $3.2 billion in unrestricted cash and $484 million in restricted cash.

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2008/pr042320081987.html

 

[737 Pylt]

FDJ2:
Don't go confusing the regular quartet with facts, its just gets in their way!

737

 

[castle bravo]

"You choose to forget the fact that NWA brought more cash to this merger."


Great, and maybe it'll be used to finance the frozen NWA DB plan?

 

[Superpilot92]

Delta Air Lines Reports March 2008 Quarter Financial Results

As of March 31, 2008, Delta had $3.6 billion in unrestricted liquidity, including $1 billion available under its revolving credit facility.

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11053

Northwest Airlines Reports First Quarter 2008 Results

Northwest ended the quarter with $3.2 billion in unrestricted cash and $484 million in restricted cash.

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2008/pr042320081987.htmlhttp://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2008/pr042320081987.htmlhttp://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2008/pr042320081987.html

Lets not forget NWA is Smaller than DAL but brings almost the same amount of cash and revenue.

 

[737 Pylt]

Lets not forget NWA is Smaller than DAL but brings almost the same amount of cash and revenue.

Wait a second, I thought one of your own, matter of fact, several of the NWA folks here claimed just like the below quote.....

You choose to forget the fact that NWA brought more cash to this merger. That cash will be the life support for the new Delta and help pay for future aircraft. Good comes with the bad so if Delta parks NWA planes then we share the pains.

737

 

[Superpilot92]

Thanks; I'm gathering information here as I have to make a decision in the next week and half. I'm at your former carrier with a class date at Compass and I'm really in a quandary as to what to do, but that will be for another thread.


Think much will come out this week in the way of the joint contract?

Depends on what where you are on the list now. If you are towards the bottom I would make the move, especially if you live in one of the compass bases. Compass could be a good deal it just depends on what happens with the merger. Good luck in your decision.

 

[Superpilot92]

Wait a second, I thought one of your own, matter of fact, several of the NWA folks here claimed just like the below quote.....



737

Its a moot point but by size comparison NWA does bring more. Arguing this is pointless anyway because its all about to be combined regardless.

 

[General Lee]

"it is worth mentioning only the most senior 160ish NWA furloughs would be in the left seat of a Compass airplane. The next approximately 160 would be in the right seat of Compass. "



The point is that at least SOME NWA guys would be protected. It would certainly make a difference if we were in the shoes of one of those 320 guys. The DAL junior folks face a different outcome which should be taken into consideration.

Delta is actually getting new airplanes. 6 new 777LRs (lots of crews to add--those planes need 2 Captains and 2 FOs for ultra long haul flights, and that is why we are getting the LR version), and 6 new 737-700s this year (more next). If we were to park an additional 15 MD88s, I think we would be covered with those new planes. Also remember, the new work rules for NWA will mitigate some furloughs IF THEY HAPPEN at NWA. I don't think they will unless management decides to do a mass dumping of the DC9s, and I don't see that yet.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[737 Pylt]

Its a moot point but by size comparison NWA does bring more. Arguing this is pointless anyway because its all about to be combined regardless.

Hey bro, I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out the usual suspects spouting off the same usual BS!:beer:

737

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They say that they are not going to dump them. Fact is that DAL wants to DC-9's to take over the RJ routes in ATL. Why do you think that they are putting jet ways in on C? Those DC 9's may get parked, but it will be with delivery of 737's, which will be replacement AC.
I am surprised that DAL wants to keep them, but that is what the people on VA keep telling me. We will see if this holds true after DCC.

 

[Superpilot92]

They say that they are not going to dump them. Fact is that DAL wants to DC-9's to take over the RJ routes in ATL. Why do you think that they are putting jet ways in on C? Those DC 9's may get parked, but it will be with delivery of 737's, which will be replacement AC.
I am surprised that DAL wants to keep them, but that is what the people on VA keep telling me. We will see if this holds true after DCC.

DC9's or any mainline aircraft taking flying back is good for the industry. Its the first step to correcting the big scope mistakes. Lets hope you're right. Cheers :beer:

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

They say that they are not going to dump them. Fact is that DAL wants to DC-9's to take over the RJ routes in ATL. Why do you think that they are putting jet ways in on C? Those DC 9's may get parked, but it will be with delivery of 737's, which will be replacement AC.
I am surprised that DAL wants to keep them, but that is what the people on VA keep telling me. We will see if this holds true after DCC.

I have heard the same thing from several different sources. We'll be seeing the return of the 9's in ATL for at least a while.


In other news, parking of any 757's is in doubt as well.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The parking of the 757's was just a feign so that we could get lower lease rates. It looks like there are two EOS jets over there. FWIW, we will probably be bidding on those in an auction in the near future.

Looks like the ASA op may be moving some of its ops. I guess we will see what they actually announce, but the fact is that these guys have a plan and it appears to be a better one than we have seen in a long time.

 

[castle bravo]

Absolutely, we can all be happy about this, if it comes to fruition. DC-9's recapturing flying, that is.

 

[Superpilot92]

The parking of the 757's was just a feign so that we could get lower lease rates. It looks like there are two EOS jets over there. FWIW, we will probably be bidding on those in an auction in the near future.

Looks like the ASA op may be moving some of its ops. I guess we will see what they actually announce, but the fact is that these guys have a plan and it appears to be a better one than we have seen in a long time.

Thats why they want to expedite the merger and contract talks so they can start shuffling things the way they want them. The new Delta might be the only legacy with any real plans to be successful through these tough times.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

The parking of the 757's was just a feign so that we could get lower lease rates. It looks like there are two EOS jets over there. FWIW, we will probably be bidding on those in an auction in the near future.

Looks like the ASA op may be moving some of its ops. I guess we will see what they actually announce, but the fact is that these guys have a plan and it appears to be a better one than we have seen in a long time.

I always feel like I'm pretty well connected until you post. That's interesting about those EOS planes... I just figured they were at the TOC for a heavy check before they were sold to some third world op. Here's to hoping we snag them and throw some winglets on them.

 

[Noserider76]

Lets not forget NWA is Smaller than DAL but brings almost the same amount of cash and revenue.

DL brings in 50% more revenue than NW. Cash on hand may be about the same but DL has been spending like crazy buying and leasing new airframes, putting new interiors in the entire fleet and in-seat entertainment systems in 50% of the fleet.

2007 Revenue

DL 19.2 B
NW 12.5 B

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They are up for grabs, but they just filed a petition to auction assets. I talked to a few guys that stated we may be interested. I sure hope that we are.