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What constitutes a long layover? 16+?
Yes, yes we do. They are great. Long layovers are downtown.
Sedona,
Yes I REMEMBER!!! LOA's were offered but not many took them. The only ones that took them were the ones in line for furlough who had worked out deals ahead of time. LOA's don't work for pilots as we are usually the bread winners.
Also LOA's mean you don't get furlough pay or unemployment... FWIW
Out of curiosity what is furlough pay and how long does it last?
FBN0223;1608729" The DC-9 fleet will be around fifty aircraft or less by the time we merge." OK said:Hey, I agree (of course) that I don't think any current Delta pilot should be furloughed for a parking of planes that weren't on our original property. That is why we should throw a fence around it (the DC9), just like the 744 that the NWA senior guys will obviously say needs a fence around it.
As far as Delta potentially parking ALL of the DC9s at once, I don't see that. NWA flies them all over the Midwest and NE from DTW, MEM, and MSP, and there aren't enough replacements for a mass parking. It would likely take awhile, and in the meantime we would get new 737-700s and even MD90s (yes, THOSE MD90s I keep talking about) to possibly fill in. I KNOW we have talked with Saudia for at least 20 of them. Who knows? I also think the DC9s could be used for a couple years or more as the "100 seater"---although with high fuel prices I don't know how long they will last. Hopefully they will last long enough for a replacement. Also, any blame should be pointed at BOTH MECs---since the JOINT contract they are working on now will affect those junior people involved now.
Bye Bye--General Lee
OK, but how do you propose that the potential furloughs corresponding to these 50 birds subsequently being parked be allocated?
If the DAL pilots want ONLY nwa pilot to take a hit for the DC-9 and the 747-200, then ONLY the DAL pilots will take the hit when the MD88 are to be parked which they have 100 plus of. You cant pick and choose what you want in a merger!! both groups will have to take some losses to become overall stronger..We can sit here all night point fingers at each other saying what they dont like about each other..
Supposedly, the hiring that took place here already took those aircraft retirements into consideration. That info came from crew planning here at NWA. FWIW
Good. Again, I don't think there would be a mass parking all at once, but the DC9 will be the first to go IF Delta has to park planes. We all know that. At least you have the option to go to the left seat of that E175 if needed.
Bye Bye--General Lee
The MD88s are being replaced by current and future orders of the 737-700/800. I don't think there will be a mass parking of them. They are currently parking 10-15 of them though, but the reasons are for lease expiration and heavy mx. Since we are the major user of the MD88 (Allegiant and Midwest also use a few), we probably will get them back with a better lease deal eventually. Most of them were close to $280,000 a month prior to our BK, and are now close to $80,000 a month for the lease. The MD88 also has a lower CASM than the DC9 or even an RJ, and are more comfortable, along with being a lot newer.
What is the current replacement for the DC9 by the way? The E175? Thank Gawd you guys have the flow down to the left seat at Compass, something we don't have. Our replacement plane for the MD88 is the 737NG.
Bye Bye--General Lee
Not trying to argue here but I do think it is worth mentioning only the most senior 160ish NWA furloughs would be in the left seat of a Compass airplane. The next approximately 160 would be in the right seat of Compass. Any NWA furloughs after that amount would be on the street. The top 10% of Compass is protected from furlough so that is where I came up with the approximate numbers.
Anyone think this will change in the joint contract, or stay the same?
"it is worth mentioning only the most senior 160ish NWA furloughs would be in the left seat of a Compass airplane. The next approximately 160 would be in the right seat of Compass. "
The point is that at least SOME NWA guys would be protected. It would certainly make a difference if we were in the shoes of one of those 320 guys. The DAL junior folks face a different outcome which should be taken into consideration.
"it is worth mentioning only the most senior 160ish NWA furloughs would be in the left seat of a Compass airplane. The next approximately 160 would be in the right seat of Compass. "
The point is that at least SOME NWA guys would be protected. It would certainly make a difference if we were in the shoes of one of those 320 guys. The DAL junior folks face a different outcome which should be taken into consideration.
You guys are really reaching for every straw you can grab....its getting old.