Furloughs at Delta and Northwest

[FBN0223]

And, can you tell me how a group of pilots who are about to get a 15% pay raise and are bringing old DC9s and 742s to the table are going to get screwed?
Bye Bye--General Lee

Not certain if 15% raise is enticing enough considering we are going to be flying in and out ATL and CVG more frequently. AAAGGGHHH!!!! Going to the A330 soon so hopefully that won't be a problem.

 

[General Lee]

Not certain if 15% raise is enticing enough considering were going to be flying in and out ATL and CVG more frequently. Going to the A330 soon so hopefully that won't be a problem.

CVG will probably be reduced as a hub to mainly 737-800s doing transcons. It is our highest yield base. A lot of the RJs there will probably be shifted towards DTW. I do see a lot of shifting of planes around from base to base, but I think that would translate to 6 day trips for your A330s etc. Maybe DTW--AMS--ATL--AMS--DTW. I think they will be doing a lot of that to find the right planes for the right routes. They want to maximize revenue, which would be a good thing. The 744 going ATL to NRT would be another example. Our daily 777 is always full, and a 744 could be used there. Hopefully some of your DC9s can go through ATL too and do stuff that is too much for an RJ and not enough for an MD88.... At least that is what I have heard through the grapevine......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Not certain if 15% raise is enticing enough considering we are going to be flying in and out ATL and CVG more frequently. AAAGGGHHH!!!! Going to the A330 soon so hopefully that won't be a problem.

Oh yeah, and going through MSP and DTW in the Winter will be a BLAST!!! A Blast of cold air that is. FUNNNNNN. We won't get enough of a raise to fly that far North for sure hosers. ATL in the Winter (about 50 degrees F) would be a heat wave for you canuks.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[727C47]

No dog in this fight, but as a former champion guy I was a cousin in the dysfunctional red tail family, I wish nothing but the best for my former cousins who were always generous with the jumpseat, and marched with us in tough times, I like the Delta guys and girls too, hope this all works out, a rare win/win for everyone,Cheers and Godspeed.

 

[castle bravo]

How is the frozen NWA DB plan going to fare in all of this?

 

[800Dog]

I hope the Northwest guys don't get screwed. When I was on strike at Comair, the Northwest guys treated us like gold. Unlike the Delta guys who would show up at our picket line and heckle guys who were trying to get off food stamps...

Were these the same Delta guys that walked the line with Comair guys and opened their strike center in an effort to help said striking Comair pilots? You are an idiot!

 

[snow-back]

I hope the Northwest guys don't get screwed. When I was on strike at Comair, the Northwest guys treated us like gold. Unlike the Delta guys who would show up at our picket line and heckle guys who were trying to get off food stamps...

What a bunch of crap. I was there (on the Delta side) and the Delta pilots bent over backwards to help the Comair pilots. Our support was not just monetary, but operational as well as our pilots walked the line with you. Our strike committee was working 24/7 to ensure no struck flying was done by our pilots. I know firsthand that segments were canceled because of this. I don't expect a pat on the back or even acknowledgment, but reading lies from an ungrateful, disgruntled dog turd just irks me.

 

[johnsonrod]

I hope the Northwest guys don't get screwed. When I was on strike at Comair, the Northwest guys treated us like gold. Unlike the Delta guys who would show up at our picket line and heckle guys who were trying to get off food stamps...

You shouldn't drink and type. You have a very warped sense of history. Explain to us again why Comair wouldn't help furloughed Delta pilots while ASA was more than accomodating? Who got screwed?

 

[andyd]

I'll be surprised and happy if we even get LOA 19 rates in the joint PWA, the way I read the letter from Lee was a softening up of the pilot group for less than LOA 19 rates, with the none too subtle threat of furloughs unless we get a joint PWA asap. Agree 100% for the idea of a 5 year fence on the top end and bottom end.

 

[RedRum]

This CAN be arranged

Oh yeah, and going through MSP and DTW in the Winter will be a BLAST!!! A Blast of cold air that is. FUNNNNNN. We won't get enough of a raise to fly that far North for sure hosers. ATL in the Winter (about 50 degrees F) would be a heat wave for you canuks.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

If you would like to share your name and seniority number I am sure it can be arranged for you to never fly in a Northwest A330 or 744 through Minneapolis.

Be careful what you wish for. In this economy I would think that you would want all options on the table.

You really are showing your ignorance when you maked heated emotional comments like this. Why don't you sit back, relax, take a toke from the pipe and wait to see what comes out next week. By the sounds of it, the new JPWA will be less than your LOA 19 but it will be what is needed to carry us through this downturn.

The sooner you stop throwing spears and accepting the fact that NWA is part of your future, the sooner we can all just move on to a better future TOGETHER. Bashing the 742 or the DC9 is doing nothing for pilot unity. Ford and Harrison loves it when you make comments like that--divide and conquer.

Thank god we have good leadership on both sides that are trying to hash things out in NYC this week.

In Unity

 

[andyd]

Dude.....Chill out man......GL was just JOKING about avoiding MSP or DTW in the winter. I've done my fair share of -20 degree preflights in MSP and here's to hoping that I never have to go through there again! GL wasn't dissing the 742 or the venerable 9, JUST the winter wx up north, EH? For what it's worth, the 9's are PAID for and hopefully will be the replacement for a buttload of worthless 50 seaters.

 

[General Lee]

General,

If you would like to share your name and seniority number I am sure it can be arranged for you to never fly in a Northwest A330 or 744 through Minneapolis.

Be careful what you wish for. In this economy I would think that you would want all options on the table.

You really are showing your ignorance when you maked heated emotional comments like this. Why don't you sit back, relax, take a toke from the pipe and wait to see what comes out next week. By the sounds of it, the new JPWA will be less than your LOA 19 but it will be what is needed to carry us through this downturn.

The sooner you stop throwing spears and accepting the fact that NWA is part of your future, the sooner we can all just move on to a better future TOGETHER. Bashing the 742 or the DC9 is doing nothing for pilot unity. Ford and Harrison loves it when you make comments like that--divide and conquer.

Thank god we have good leadership on both sides that are trying to hash things out in NYC this week.

In Unity

You must have missed FBN0223's message right before mine about bidding the A330 so he won't have to go through ATL and CVG. You want my seniority number? It's number 1 baby......

As far as NWA and DL becoming one, I think it is great. We are going to be a strong airline with a great future most likely. The problem most of us have is that we don't know what will happen with those old DC9s and 742s. We all know that they will go first, and that makes a lot of our pilots nervous. I think you could understand that. It would be like us still having DC8s doing SJU. It's the elephant in the room. We don't think it would be fair to have ANY of our guys furloughed because of planes brought to the table by YOU. You can say all you want about your retirements coming soon (although age 65 has bumped it), just like our retirements coming right after that. There are a host of issues that need to be worked out, but overall I think operationally our airline will be great. A few fences here and there should take care of the rest. Enjoy the pay raise.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[RedRum]

Enjoy the pay raise.

Bye Bye--General Lee

If I make it that far. That's what I can't understand. We are talking about pay raises and furloughs at the same time. There is something wrong with that scenario.

Yes, this is an opportunity to up the anty, but could the timing be any worse. I just hope our leadership are doing what they can to alleviate furloughs. Most of the bottom 1/4 of each list have had to endure lengthy furloughs. I am sure it is being addressed.

I agree with your assessment that we could be the last guy standing. Just worried about how many will be standing in that line. Due to the fact that we have a lot of retirement at NWA, that should alleviate some of the furlough notices. Let's hope. I just remember being in this exact position after 9/11 when NWA was coming out with the announcement of how any furloughs there would be. I was about 300 from the bottom and to think that I had a fighting chance! Hope it turns out better this time, but living on hope alone doesn't cut it!

 

[FBN0223]

Both sides will enjoy a pay raise. And I think the B747-200 and the DC-9s are not the big elephants in room as you say, GL. NWA has one B747-200 flying military charters and a handful up in ANC flying freight. The DC-9 fleet will be around fifty aircraft or less by the time we merge.

And for ATL...nice layover for all but one or two months out the year. Is Spondivits still around?

 

[jester757]

I hope the Northwest guys don't get screwed. When I was on strike at Comair, the Northwest guys treated us like gold. Unlike the Delta guys who would show up at our picket line and heckle guys who were trying to get off food stamps...

FU you F'ing F.

I remember buying your lines coffee in CVG and paying an assesement every week for you. Putz, pure putz---

 

[General Lee]

Both sides will enjoy a pay raise. And I think the B747-200 and the DC-9s are not the big elephants in room as you say, GL. NWA has one B747-200 flying military charters and a handful up in ANC flying freight. The DC-9 fleet will be around fifty aircraft or less by the time we merge.

And for ATL...nice layover for all but one or two months out the year. Is Spondivits still around?

Yes, Spondivits is around, but a bunch of people recently got sick on some oysters I believe. Also, if you have LONG layovers here (like during a European 6 day trip with ATL in the middle), I bet you would go downtown. I know a lot of our other bases have ATL layovers, and they stay downtown if they are over 12 hours.

I hope you are right about the DC9s and 742s. It just seems obvious that they could be parked. As far as the rest of the fleet goes, we are still getting more widebodies and 73NGs. That, along with your work rule changes to reflect ours will hopefully mitigate furloughs.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Sedona16]

Does anybody that was at Delta during the last downturn/furloughs remember if pilots were given a chance at voluntary leave first before furloughing in order? The other question is if a person takes leave as opposed to furlough do they get any sort of unemployment from the gov?

 

[Fly4hire]

GL,

Do you guys still have "downtown" hotels in your PWA?

 

[737 Pylt]

I hope the Northwest guys don't get screwed. When I was on strike at Comair, the Northwest guys treated us like gold. Unlike the Delta guys who would show up at our picket line and heckle guys who were trying to get off food stamps...

Sorry Bob, I didn't know that was you.....:smash:
Did you ever get off food stamps??:laugh:

737

 

[General Lee]

GL,

Do you guys still have "downtown" hotels in your PWA?

Yes, yes we do. They are great. Long layovers are downtown.

Bye Bye--General Lee