Go Around, BE PROFESSIONAL

[Hollywood82]

Have you even ever been to TEB. Try slowing before they want you to and you will be vectored to ALB. Even though they have you below the Class B. Happens all the time in TEB. They may not waive it but they sure as heck let you know if you slow down and they dont want you to.

True! Although I never have been asked to fly faster than 170 by ATC going into TEB. If it's visual we hold 170kts till 500ft as per.... you guessed it, the SOP. IMC and the ILS they've worked with us in the past without any problem.

Side note... the Hasbrook Hilton makes you pay for "hot breakfast".... what's up with that?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Side note... the Hasbrook Hilton makes you pay for "hot breakfast".... what's up with that?

Really??? What membership tier are you in?

I was there 2 months ago and it was free...but maybe that's only for diamond memberships

 

[Hollywood82]

Really??? What membership tier are you in?

I was there 2 months ago and it was free...but maybe that's only for diamond memberships

I'm diamond too. They told me that everything cold was covered by the breakfast pass. Bacon, eggs and all the hot stuff was extra. English obviously wasn't their first language, so who knows.

I'll be there later this week, and check it out again.

 

[Tref]

I don't know why I can't believe all of the jacka$$ responses on this thread, since this is FI after all. But really...

Hollywood, if you advised ATC of your approach speed from the FAF inbound while you were being vectored then it is their responsibility to build an appropriate hole. Sometimes it doesn't work out and it's not always clear who's fault it was.

The comment was unprofessional, but in their defense, it was probably a commuter trying to catch a jumpseat home. I can understand being upset, but it shouldn't have been said on the radio.

Kind of ironic coming from the guys who brought you "we wear hats because we're professional."

 

[ATRCA]

Understood. We were holding 200 to 2NM from the OM, at which point we went flight idle, threw in flaps and gear and slowed to Vapp as per company policy. I can't change company policy. He did a fine job, and I wouldn't have done anything different.

For the record, we flew 280 till 10000, then 250 till underlying class B then 200 to the OM. It was max legal speed all the way.

I think you did the right thing. Its your a/c and your runway. You do the paperwork, you take the responsibility. You did the right thing.

 

[another cfii]

In the defense of the go-around crew member that sounded rude, I think anybody usually respectful on the radio may do that when you're forced to do something you rarely do, probably at the end of your 4-day rotation, trying to catch a last flight home, etc...

You've exercised your authority as PIC, and the result was a safe flight, so kudos to you and your crew.

On another note, ATL is not really suitable for a/c to fly at 117 kts on final approach speed. ATC will chew you out if you slow from 170 to your Vref at 0.5 mi. sooner than FAF. You should probably let your company knows of this incident, so that your safety dept can relay that info to ATL Tracon, so this go-around won't happen again in the future.

 

[IDEtoNJA]

I hope we'll get approval for this one into PDK at some point:

RNP 02R KPDK

CA1900,

You don't like doing the circle to land to RWY 02R in PDK?! You don't like looking at towers at eye level turning to base and to final?!

Cheers

 

[WNC Flyer]

Flying a CAT II into Frankfurt taught me that adapting to the standard airport flow sometimes overrides company SOP's. RVR 1400 and those Germans still wanted 170 to the OM. We slowed early and advised ATC. They prompty advised us to go around and sent us to the back of the line. It was clear that we weren't going to land until the we played by the local rules.

ATL ATC could have/should have seen this coming and nipped it in the bud.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I dont think you want to get into a battle of who pays more taxes at an airport. You will lose.

Go ahead and think that big money can be kept out of any airport. Whatever makes you feel good.

My point on taxes wasn't a tax (fee) collected on tickets. Big money doesn't buy tickets.

Big money sells tickets.

How did Arpey get down to SJU other other day? It wasn't a boat and it wasn't on AA.

 

[FLYLOW22]

True! Although I never have been asked to fly faster than 170 by ATC going into TEB. If it's visual we hold 170kts till 500ft as per.... you guessed it, the SOP. IMC and the ILS they've worked with us in the past without any problem.

Side note... the Hasbrook Hilton makes you pay for "hot breakfast".... what's up with that?

We call it the "Hanoi Hilton" now. And why does the lobby smell like Burger King???

 

[CA1900]

CA1900,

You don't like doing the circle to land to RWY 02R in PDK?! You don't like looking at towers at eye level turning to base and to final?!

Doesn't even faze me at this point... 5000+ hours of doing that stuff in a turboprop with no autopilot will do that....

Now, watching the machine do a procedure like that one into PDK, basically circling all by itself? That's cool! imp:

 

[Brett Hull]

And don't forget, that guy in the back of the Slowtation going into ATL is probably getting shuttled over to the terminal and getting into a first class (read: high yield) seat in the front section of a 777.

Do you really want to keep him and his little airplane out of the busy airports?

 

[starchkr]

In Lubbock you can do 250 to the marker, taxi straight to the gate and be in the bar in 30 minutes.

Gup

Now come on Gup...that's pushin it isn't it!!! You should be able to do 250 to the marker, touch down, make the first turn off(high speed or not), taxi to the ramp, jump out and run for the van to make the hotel in less than 20!! Oh wait, i don't fly freight anymore...ahhh the good ole days. All that plus at EVERY airport in the nation, not just LBB, but i guess at 3 am no-one cares if you fly arrivals or how fast you fly...i mean heck, they just don't want you to wake them up from their naps.

 

[Pervis]

What's with the assumptions about Citations? I have to be patient everyday as I'm climbing at 300/.80, cruising at .91, and descending at 340/.90, all while dodging Madogs and such.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Pervis: Not all Citations are created equal. That big cabin T37 with JT15's is pokey.

Do you really want to keep him and his little airplane out of the busy airports?

It isn't us, it is the airline transport organization, the ATA. Same folks that battle ALPA on rest regs.

http://www.airlines.org/operationsandsafety/atc/Are+They+Really+Marginal+Users.htm

The statistics that our thin skinned Citation drivers helped generate will be used as further ammunition in the ATA's quest to keep 91 / 135 guys out of "their" airports.