How to Earn Respect as an Airline Pilot

[BOYCAPTAIN]

I just want to add that wearing a backpack is not ok. What can you need so bad that you can't fit it into your overnight bag.

what about all that hair gel????????

 

[PCL_128]

So, in your posts with N1N2 where you make condecending comments about him not attending BOD meetings because he is "to busy watching American Idol" (http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=110555&page=5), which part of the above CoE are you adhering to? Is it the bullet point? Is this how you bring others up to the "standards demanded?"

T8

The comments weren't condescending, they were factual. The fact of the matter is, far too many pilots are preoccupied with things like golf and American Idol. These things seem to take a higher priority for them over things that affect their career. If you consider telling it how it is to be "condescending," then that's your prerogative, but it's not accurate.

 

[Jimmy C. Corn]

If you consider telling it how it is to be "condescending," then that's your prerogative, but it's not accurate.

From what I can tell after reading some of your posts, you seem to confuse "telling it how it is" with "standing in harsh judgment of those who don't agree with you."

 

[trainer8]

The comments weren't condescending, they were factual. The fact of the matter is, far too many pilots are preoccupied with things like golf and American Idol. These things seem to take a higher priority for them over things that affect their career. If you consider telling it how it is to be "condescending," then that's your prerogative, but it's not accurate.

So you know for a fact that he was indeed watching American Idol, instead of attending the BOD...factual...your words, not mine. You know this for sure? Or you just generalize the incident and say something trivial to make a point...for far too many pilots.....????

No. I don't buy it. You are an ALPA member. You represent the Pilot's Union. You said you adhere to the code. But your posts on this site don't reveal that.

I encourage you and other ALPA members to "walk the walk, not just talk the talk."

T8

 

[Abernathy]

Are some of you actually convinced that we get paid pennies and US Air pilots are flying A330s across the pond for 160/hr because some people don't shine their shoes? Or that we'll get more and "take it back" if we do?

Get real. Complain about management, deregulation, LCCs, right wing/lassez-fair capitalist judges/gov't, economy, oil, etc, but don't get delirious on us and start blaming it on pilots who don't want to wear a clumsy hat or forget to iron a crease into their pants.

And will someone please hold a tutorial on how to spell "privilege".. If I have to see another "priveledge"....


Abernathy

 

[PCL_128]

So you know for a fact that he was indeed watching American Idol, instead of attending the BOD...

I know for a fact that he was somewhere other than the BOD because he said so himself. He had an opportunity to see his union in action, just as every other member does, but passed it up. Fact.

You are an ALPA member. You represent the Pilot's Union. You said you adhere to the code. But your posts on this site don't reveal that.

Correction: I used to represent the Association. I'm no longer a rep, and am actually on inactive status. As for the code, as I said, my posts are not in conflict with the CoE.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Retire at 60.
















Flame suit on.
Cheers.

 

[trainer8]

I know for a fact that he was somewhere other than the BOD because he said so himself. He had an opportunity to see his union in action, just as every other member does, but passed it up. Fact.

Correction: I used to represent the Association. I'm no longer a rep, and am actually on inactive status. As for the code, as I said, my posts are not in conflict with the CoE.

No...you said he was watching American Idol. You said your comments were "factual." If they are factual, they are true, and he was watching American Idol instead of attending the BOD. If you meant he was "somewhere other than the BOD" instead of attending the BOD, than the "American Idol" comment injected to the argument was condescending. You can't have it both ways.

T8

 

[PCL_128]

The American Idol comment was an example of the myriad things that uninvolved pilots prioritize above their union and their careers. If you take it as condescension, then you're a little too sensitive.

 

[trainer8]

The American Idol comment was an example of the myriad things that uninvolved pilots prioritize above their union and their careers. If you take it as condescension, then you're a little too sensitive.

But your comment was directed directly to N1N2, not to a myriad of pilots. You specifically said he was watching American Idol and playing golf...the context was him, N1N2, specifically. You said, "Why didn't you fly out to Vegas to observe democracy in action? Too busy playing golf or watching American Idol while guys like me were out there on our days off?" The question was rhetorical and condescending.

You said, "I adhere to the CoE."

T8

 

[PCL_128]

You said, "I adhere to the CoE."

Yep, and I stand by that. We gonna keep going around in circles on this? You view something as being condescending that simply wasn't. Arguing about your perceptions all night isn't going to do us any good. If you choose to perceive condescension, that's your business.

 

[trainer8]

Yep, and I stand by that. We gonna keep going around in circles on this? You view something as being condescending that simply wasn't. Arguing about your perceptions all night isn't going to do us any good. If you choose to perceive condescension, that's your business.

Nope...I'll move on...I'll let the evidence speak for itself.

C'ya

T8

 

[pilotyip]

pilots round in circles, my what a concept!

 

[Bruno82]

What's an example of another profession of which the professionals were and continue to gain and keep respect?

 

[Flybet3]

How to earn respect?

Be 5'6 with a 10 inch d**** and wear tight pants with your pilot suit.

Seriously, gets me alot of respect.

 

[GoFaster]

respect?

If we want respect, our union should set a minimum salary for our most junior new hires. It is my opinion that is should be 50k to start either as the copilot of a 1900 or 747. THE union should not sign another contract where the pay is below that level....period.

Oh and the guy is right about wearing the uniform and running on time.



gofaster

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Thank God for that 'unfortunality' Rez...

Of course I'm assuming you subscribe to the mantra "Conform or be cast out..."

Room for everyone I suspect, plus it's just a job.

I was making an observation.... have you considered objectivity when reading?

In addition, it is just a job when it is not a struggle. Many of us have been struggling for over seven years. Have you empathy?

Easily done...

The overwelming display of a condescending attitude toward individuals whom disagree with you...which purveys the many posts, is an indication of your/PCL's professionalism...or perhaps, the lack of it.

As for a personal "canon" I'll stick with "do unto others as you would have them do to you." If you stick with that "canon," you won't go wrong.

On this site, we often cut off our fellow aviatior's nose...then ask him to smell a rose. It doesn't work.

T8

Also consider you are talking about a moniker message board. Who is T8? Who is PCL128?

Can there be a better reply from guys like me and PCL128? Sure... I don't speak for PCL, but I'll work on it.... That is all I can control....


Keep in mind that a poster starts a thread about professionalism and guys like PCL and I defend the notion of professionalism.

Have you considered that by chiding us, you motivate the anti establishment guys? Do you allow free choice over ones interpretation of professionalism but not the defence of it?

That is the real threat: Guys like PCL do Walk the Walk. He spends about 10 guys worth of time trying to make this profession better. His time would be better spent defending this profession against gov't and management, but it is spent defending against our own.


How'd you respond if one of your own in your own house (aka our profession) trashed it. How do you reason with someone who wants to fight the only methodology that has a concern for thier welfare?

How do you fight ignorance and apathy on a moniker message board all while concerned the masses will believe that doing nothing is an acceptable path?

If you are aware of the youngest generation, this pilot gig is just that... something to try out and if it gets too uncomfortable they will bail. 20-somethings are doing this in every industry... it is not exclusive to airline pilots...

Guys like PCL have done more to defend and promote the COE than most of us.... yet he gets a "smackdown". Have you considered that you've devalued the profession by critiqing a defender?

number one rule of a professional and above board critique....

Offer a compliment before a complaint.....

 

[pilotyip]

UAW method of raising wages

If we want respect, our union should set a minimum salary for our most junior new hires. It is my opinion that is should be 50k to start either as the copilot of a 1900 or 747. THE union should not sign another contract where the pay is below that level....period.

Oh and the guy is right about wearing the uniform and running on time.



gofaster

Here is how the UAW does it; they reach a deal with a single company, then go to the next company and say match it or you will be shutdown and all the new cars being sold will be built someplace else, then they go to the next company and repeat. When the auto companies where rolling in money it was a good deal for all. But over the last 30 years it has eliminated 70% of the union jobs, gave great raise to non-union companies, and now it is concession time. Now the Airlines could follow the same path as the UAW and it would be great for 30% of those who still had jobs. This is also great for the non-ALPA airlines that would fly all the passengers when the ALPA pilots were on strike.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Here is how the UAW does it; they reach a deal with a single company, then go to the next company and say match it or you will be shutdown and all the new cars being sold will be built someplace else, then they go to the next company and repeat. When the auto companies where rolling in money it was a good deal for all. But over the last 30 years it has eliminated 70% of the union jobs, gave great raise to non-union companies, and now it is concession time. Now the Airlines could follow the same path as the UAW and it would be great for 30% of those who still had jobs. This is also great for the non-ALPA airlines that would fly all the passengers when the ALPA pilots were on strike.

Again..... you neglect to discuss the RLA.

 

[pilotyip]

true

Again..... you neglect to discuss the RLA.

But the results are the same if you put your company in a non-competitive position through work action, you will be at a disadvantage in the market.