Usapa Vote

[Rez O. Lewshun]

....unless you are on the side of "might"....You are the preacher of democracy....unless it doesn't suit you I guess....

What is democratic or honaorable about agree to Nic then back tracking?

Tyranny of the Majority is what some of us have been fighting against within ALPA.....

No... you are just a poor loser.

Funny how people like democracy when it suits them......

Funny how people don't like democracy when they don't get thier way... and sue.

 

[JoeMerchant]

What is democratic or honaorable about agree to Nic then back tracking?



No... you are just a poor loser.



Funny how people don't like democracy when they don't get thier way... and sue.

Didn't ALPA agree to a contract at Alaska that included binding arbitration....and didn't ALPA sue when they didn't agree with the binding arbitration....Sorry Rez...that is how things work...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Didn't ALPA agree to a contract at Alaska that included binding arbitration....and didn't ALPA sue when they didn't agree with the binding arbitration....Sorry Rez...that is how things work...

Didn't you get schooled on that already?

How much did the RJDC lawsuit cost you?

 

[N1N2]

Dear US Airways Pilots,

My name is Roger Hall. I have been with Continental Airlines for 18 years. I am writing this to shed some truth about the recent letter you received from Jay Peirce, the MEC Chairman at Continental Airlines. I am also writing this to urge to vote for USAPA.

Let me start by saying that in 2001, I wanted nothing more than to have ALPA on the property here at Continental. Growing up and watching my father serve as an ALPA LEC Rep and Council Chairman had made me believe that ALPA was the way to go. I always knew that my father was fighting for either the career preservation or improvement of his fellow pilots. When we here at CAL were faced with the vote I thought it was a simple choice. I talked my father and was shocked when he told me it was best to stay Independent and that it will be the better choice for the long haul. He told me of the pitfalls and of how little power the pilots really have under ALPA. He warned that once some of the so called volunteers were in, they became lifers motivated by self interest and said I need look no farther than the one MEC vice-chairmen of the eighties, he is still wearing a suit and tie and he is the VP of Finance today. You will pay for the all the trapping, pomp and circumstance of a national union with no sense of the profession and receive less efficient bargaining and be tied to policies that try to serve to many masters and likely not serve your own pilot group well. Well I didn’t listen I voted ALPA and regret it now more that ever.

It didn’t take long to realize that it was a mistake. Contract ’02 negotiations were delayed from the start following the 9/11 Attacks. Airline management used this against all Airlines. We saw A Plans go, some without union ratification, pay cuts, work rule changes, and the list goes on. Well instead of ALPA National standing up and rallying all the Airline pilots to fight the fight, ALPA sat back and watched each airline go their own way. Meanwhile APA, the union that represents American Pilots didn’t back down that easy. Despite the fact that they were near bankruptcy the fought back against Management theft and preserved their A Plan, maintained the best B Plan in the industry and had snap back provisions.

Here at CAL under the first and only ALPA contract I have experienced, things are not better, they are worse. Keep in mind that we were not threatened by Bankruptcy or in Bankruptcy like American or US Airways. We had a CEO that told us we are better than everyone else, our cost are lower, and that we are prepared to fly into the future with our young fleet. Yet the independent union at APA far out negotiated our ALPA contingent and the engineered the replacement of their CEO to boot.

Here are just a few things that were given up;

-Replacing line construction with a preferential bidding system that is a mess. PBS doesn’t fully honor seniority and if you are not a program specialist every month is a crap shoot. Pilots are putting off upgrade and transitions because the schedules are so bad. We have pilots in the 60% holding B757/B767 Captain and 2 year pilots as B737 Captains because no body wants them. Well more than a thousand pilots bypassed upgrade to Captain.

-The way our Vacations and training are credited make for an awful bid month. I hold a better schedule without vacation than I do with a vacation week.

-Our Frozen A plan is just that frozen not protected.

-We have no Snap Back. ALPA negotiations will start below where ALPA experts left us 6 years ago.

-There is no Schedule Improvement again because of PBS.

-As Part of Contract ’02, we had a side letter that protected us in case the other Union Groups didn’t ratify their contracts. We didn’t have to honor our contract until such a time that all employees took pay cuts. Well that side letter didn’t last ONE DAY. Our then MEC Chairman, Captain Jay Panarello, gave CAL Management the green light for the concessions, WITHOUT Membership Approval. Is this really what you want in a Union.

Ladies and Gentlemen we are not better off with ALPA. There is no National Unity, there is no National Expertise, there is No 61,000 Strong, there is No Merger Protection, No Seniority Protection, No Insurance or Medical protection. All of the above can be attained or protected just as easy with an Independent Union. I am working under the worse conditions of my career. Other than hourly rate I had a better Quality of life under the Old Frank Lorenzo Pilot Employment Policy when hired in 1990 than I do under an ALPA Contract.

Remember You are the Union, You are what makes it strong and you have the chance to Own your Union and not come second the interest of others or the Union itself. Just ask yourself, are the pilots at Southwest, UPS, American, AirTran worse off than us ALPA Carriers, or has their Independent Unions served them well?

In closing I am embarrassed of our Union President, in 15 moths at the helm he has signed a Comair concessionary contract, and done more to divide pilots than anyone before him. While we all continue to live in an uncertain environment with Losses in Pay and Quality of Life, our fearless leaders continue to live like fat cats. I ask, “John Prater, How is that taking it back?”

I fully support the USAPA efforts and will continue to see all pilots as my brothers and sisters no matter what the paint scheme on the airframe is. I urge each and everyone of you to vote for USAPA.

Fraternally,

Roger Hall II
EWR B737 Captain

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[Rez O. Lewshun]

***yawn***

 

[JoeMerchant]

Didn't you get schooled on that already?

How much did the RJDC lawsuit cost you?

It didn't cost me that much....I am getting much of my expenses back thru the settlement......

Back to the "binding arbitration"....why is it different when ALPA opposes the result of "binding arbitration".....You can't have it both ways Rez....if it is binding....then ALPA should have just accepted it....Why did ALPA sue?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It didn't cost me that much....I am getting much of my expenses back thru the settlement......

How much....

Back to the "binding arbitration"....why is it different when ALPA opposes the result of "binding arbitration".....You can't have it both ways Rez....if it is binding....then ALPA should have just accepted it....Why did ALPA sue?

In fact I think PCL schooled you. You know.. the S/T that served with integrity....

 

[JoeMerchant]

In fact I think PCL schooled you. You know.. the S/T that served with integrity....

Tell me how "binding arbitration" means different things depending on which side of the fence you are on.....I'm not familiar with that concept.....

 

[Turtle21]

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[JoeMerchant]

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Is that the difference between the two groups? Ouch......