Usapa Vote

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Wow.. a band of teenagers wearing black lipstick and goth clothes have more optimism and real ideas that turtle and Joey....

Turtle... tell us how USAPA is going to manage the money. Get off the hyberbole and rhetorical rants. Your right wing tactic of using a higher degree of vitriol and bile and using the same debate points is laughable. For example if I called someone a dirty pig the tactic is to repsond with *$&@( pig. If you want a link to a website that shows these debate tactics...let me know.. you probably don't even realize it...

Now.. please explain USAPA's plan to offer pilot protections , insurance, etc.. It appears USAPA is only thinking about seniority protections and not the day to day business of a union. Like representing a guy who discharges his weapon.


Joe.. you are a cynical pilot of despair and latch onto anyone who chides ALPA.... you're an angry member of the mob who joins anyone who spews venom.

But let's hear your seniority ideas.... I've asked many times and you have nothing to offer..


Will you reply to post #51?

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Its clear that most of the USAPA supporters don't want to see a better union. They just want to see US Airways fail.

Thats ok I guess. I'm 31. In the big picture I wont have a problem starting over somewhere else. I'm pretty sure I won't be seeing these late 40 something and 50 something USAPA hotheads in my new hire class at XYZ airlines, though.

Oh well. Good luck to you.

 

[FR8mastr]

Its clear that most of the USAPA supporters don't want to see a better union. They just want to see US Airways fail.

Thats ok I guess. I'm 31. In the big picture I wont have a problem starting over somewhere else. I'm pretty sure I won't be seeing these late 40 something and 50 something USAPA hotheads in my new hire class at XYZ airlines, though.

Oh well. Good luck to you.

This is getting good, did USAPA also cause the war in Iraq, and the economy to fail?
We get it USAPA=Bad!! ALPA=Good!
Thank you, your post actually made me realize this stuff is not worth taking seriously, with every post it just gets more and more ridiculous.
OK rant over, you can go back to USAPA=Bad ALPA= Good

 

[JoeMerchant]

This is getting good, did USAPA also cause the war in Iraq, and the economy to fail?
We get it USAPA=Bad!! ALPA=Good!
Thank you, your post actually made me realize this stuff is not worth taking seriously, with every post it just gets more and more ridiculous.
OK rant over, you can go back to USAPA=Bad ALPA= Good

ALPA is a sick patient and USAPA is a cough from that sick patient......

 

[Turtle21]

Wow.. a band of teenagers wearing black lipstick and goth clothes have more optimism and real ideas that turtle and Joey....

Turtle...

Its a vote.. Its called democracy. Enjoy it. Its a pretty useful idea. The majority will express what is best. Don't be such a hater.

By the way, the volume of your posts and the enthusiasm you present make it clear that you either get FPL to post on these boards or you are sincerely gunning for such a position.

All the best to you.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

This is getting good, did USAPA also cause the war in Iraq, and the economy to fail?
We get it USAPA=Bad!! ALPA=Good!
Thank you, your post actually made me realize this stuff is not worth taking seriously, with every post it just gets more and more ridiculous.
OK rant over, you can go back to USAPA=Bad ALPA= Good

Lighten up Francis. Learn to read. Show me where I said any of the above comments. Don't be puttin words in my mouth. I'll let you know loud and clear what I have to say.

I've seen posts where people claiming to be East pilots say that they would rather see US Airways fail than accept the Nic award. I have read things like this on these very boards.

I never said that ALPA was good. At least ALPA will piss-off the airline evenly. USAPA only exists to favor the East side and screw the West.

What do you really think is going to happen if USAPA wins? At the Phoenix roadshow they basically said they would concede to a less that parity contract if it will win over management. They basically said they don't have a plan B if they can't change the Nic award (and they wont be able to). If they win it will be an endless legal battle. Right after USAPA wins some legacy carrier is going to buy us and staple all of us to the bottom of their list. Nothing will get done. This senario is a management's wet dream.

US Airways pilots, East and West, are gonna get slaughtered. We will get wipsawed against each other just like the regionals.

The part that I don't understand is this: when our MECs agreed to go into binding arbitration we all realized that there was a chance that we might not like the outcome. So why did you agree to binding arbitration? I think that the East guys really thought this Nicolaou was going to hand to you our asses on a silver platter, and when that didn't happen you went postal.

Right now the East guys are the majority. But remember, in 10 years when the east guys start retiring, we'll eventually be the majority. And we wont forget what you did to us.

 

[FR8mastr]

Exactly East BAD West GOOD

take care
Francis

 

[N1N2]

How is that?

The Presidents salary is determined by democratic election by pilot representatives. How is your CEO's salary and compensation determined.

Pocket your money? They do get a living allowance to live in Wash DC. And they must pay taxes on that allowance as if it were income.

I posted before... BC, the VP of Admin, an AMR Eagle pilot makes around 100K, I am guessing. Should he sell his house and buy a Wash DC property?

Volunteering for your union actually cost money. For the common committee member to the Nat'l Officers.

But you would know that from your volunteering days. Tell me... what did you volunteer for?



What you really need to think about is the salaries of "ALPA management"




Who? The USAPA guys? They have no back up plan, no insurance plans, no money and are using personal credit cards to run thier experiment in DOH grabs.
ALPA:Housing allowance average for each of the four National Officers = $9,856/month/officer or
$118,275 each per year. Seems to me these guys could team up and get a really swanky crash pad for alot less! All this while a fellow MESA F/O eats out of his lunch kit earning 20K per year. Flying segment times..who needs block or better?? This under the wonderful ALPA contract. Or the Atlas Air Pilot who sits in Nairobi earning nothing but per diem for 5 days under his ALPA contract. Who needs a duty rig??These just to name a few.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Its a vote.. Its called democracy. Enjoy it. Its a pretty useful idea. The majority will express what is best. Don't be such a hater.

Might doesn't make right... or what does the USAPA lawyer call it? Oh yeah... Tyranny of the Majority is also called democracy.. riiiiiight...

By the way, the volume of your posts and the enthusiasm you present make it clear that you either get FPL to post on these boards or you are sincerely gunning for such a position.

All the best to you.

Trying to gracefully bow out?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Might doesn't make right... or what does the USAPA lawyer call it? Oh yeah... Tyranny of the Majority is also called democracy.. riiiiiight...

....unless you are on the side of "might"....You are the preacher of democracy....unless it doesn't suit you I guess....

Tyranny of the Majority is what some of us have been fighting against within ALPA.....

Funny how people like democracy when it suits them......