Usapa Vote

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Your right it is any large organization.....I actually brought this very point up in our other debate on the Skywest thread while you were typing here.....Do you know what finally got the Catholic Church to deal with the priest abuse issue? It was the lawsuits Rez...The internal organization was incapable of dealing with the issue without an external threat....

And I replied... I asked you if you think ALPA is akin to predatory preist and cover up?

In fact do you know where the term "red tape" comes from? (History trivia break)

Yeah sure.... got it...

Using your other example....Govt.....You can only work with the Continental Congress for so long before it is time to have a "tea party" followed by a violent revolution.....

Are you saying ALPA is akin to King George?

OK Dr Phil....whatever you say.....Why is it if I disagree with someone or think an organization has failed...I must "hate" them......

Dr Phil this... we judge ourselves by our thoughts and others by our actions..

How you perceive yourself and how you are perceived can be... and in this case... are two different things....

I don't see a "negative impact" from this side of the fence Rez....You are helping to prove my point on the terrible conflict of interest within ALPA......Tell me....what was the negative impact....Was there one on this side of the fence....or was it only on your side of the fence......

Effective leaders know how to use conflict and paradox for positive outcome... Now if you want to claim there can be better leadership at ALPA... I'll agree...

Your Lawsuit? Gee Joe... how about diverted resources, funds and energy. I'd rather have my CA's working on defending my CBA than your value-less lawsuit. As I said before.. you are the bin Laden of legal terrorism within the ranks of ALPA. You are divisive. You are the hot coffee Mcdonalds woman who sued... are you rather enjoy the association of it all...

Answer this: How much money did the lawsuit cost the RJDC? And if ytou know... how much did it cost ALPA?

The more you guys B!tch about it the more I realize it must have done some good.....

Joe.... like a rejected teen who gets a few guns and shoots up his school... you are quite the same...

No one liked you when you tried to be an ALPA rep... so you had to get noticed....

Many of teenage kids that kill rather relish thier crime cause they finally got some attention....

 

[surfnfly]

The National Officers are just about as bad as the airline CEOs. They get elected and pocket our money while the rank and file suffer. $80k a year secretarys and $98k a year housing allowance for some officers, come on most F/O's at the majors don't even make that anymore. I know who my vote will be cast for.

 

[BeCareful!]

Rez you are a f'ing joke, just like ALPA has become. Joe is right to say that with each keystroke, you bolster USAPA.

You're a pilot, right? If so, and if you're good at your craft, you should be open to taking in information. Here on this forum, you are about as closed-minded as anyone. You are just another ALPA jack@$$, and it's pretty obvious that you are motivated by personal issues, not the greater good. Guess how I know this.....guess.....OK, I'll tell you: because every ALPA person save for two that I've worked with in the past 13 years have finally proven themselves corrupt. You, my friend, act like the vast majority, not those two.

You are obviously posting here because you know that if US Airways bolts, ALPA's demise is immanent. What you don't realize is that you are helping to ensure that outcome.

 

[Captzaahlie]

If you think USAPA is so flipping great...then you vote out ALPA at your company. If you don't have any facts about this company, might I suggest staying off the band wagon. Don't be fooled about thinking this is a election has anything to do with ALPA. This is a vote for the sense of emotional entitlement by a group of Easties. :angryfire

Don't mention the word entitlement Wiskey Driver will have your ass!

 

[vetrider]

You are obviously posting here because you know that if US Airways bolts, ALPA's demise is immanent. What you don't realize is that you are helping to ensure that outcome.

I disagree. I think if USairways bolts, the other alpa carriers will be saying "what a bunch of dumb********************s..." Alpa will weather it, Prater may not though.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The National Officers are just about as bad as the airline CEOs. They get elected and pocket our money while the rank and file suffer.

How is that?

The Presidents salary is determined by democratic election by pilot representatives. How is your CEO's salary and compensation determined.

Pocket your money? They do get a living allowance to live in Wash DC. And they must pay taxes on that allowance as if it were income.

I posted before... BC, the VP of Admin, an AMR Eagle pilot makes around 100K, I am guessing. Should he sell his house and buy a Wash DC property?

Volunteering for your union actually cost money. For the common committee member to the Nat'l Officers.

But you would know that from your volunteering days. Tell me... what did you volunteer for?

$80k a year secretarys and $98k a year housing allowance for some officers, come on most F/O's at the majors don't even make that anymore.

What you really need to think about is the salaries of "ALPA management"

I know who my vote will be cast for.

Who? The USAPA guys? They have no back up plan, no insurance plans, no money and are using personal credit cards to run thier experiment in DOH grabs.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez you are a f'ing joke, just like ALPA has become. Joe is right to say that with each keystroke, you bolster USAPA.

Of course... because Joe and guys like you...use emotion based reasoning...

You're a pilot, right? If so, and if you're good at your craft, you should be open to taking in information. Here on this forum, you are about as closed-minded as anyone.

More emotion based reasoning... I see...

Keep in mind that most ALPA/union haters are pissed cause they don't manage thier own expectations and they think ALPA should serve them over 61,000 other pilots. Sound familiar...

You are just another ALPA jack@$$, and it's pretty obvious that you are motivated by personal issues, not the greater good.

Ahhh.. more emotion. I see who I am dealing with.. It seems that you are just fustrated. A common reply from those who can't keep up with logical debate...

Tell me... what is the greater good and were have a faltered

Guess how I know this.....guess.....OK, I'll tell you: because every ALPA person save for two that I've worked with in the past 13 years have finally proven themselves corrupt. You, my friend, act like the vast majority, not those two.

Wow.... everyone but two.... so what you are saying is... everyone is wrong and you are right... how you view the world is correct.

So I am corrupt... HOW... what exactly have I done that is corrupt?

You are obviously posting here because you know that if US Airways bolts, ALPA's demise is immanent. What you don't realize is that you are helping to ensure that outcome.

USAir leaving is bad. It will cost ALPA plenty is dues money, Beebe, McVennes, etc..

However, it will also save ALPA allot of headaches and the cost of negotiating a CBA for the emotionally charged Easties.

Money. That is right. It all comes down to money. If USAPA is successful your money problems will be your first and everlasting problem....

USAPA will go bankrupt and Parker will have a non union pilot group to steamroll.



Your post is nothing but pure emotion. You've provided no logical discussion. You're perfect for USAPA. Now tell me how I am corrupt.

 

[surfnfly]

Rez, I think you need to lay off that ALPA Kool-aid for awhile.

 

[Turtle21]

Of course... because Joe and guys like you...use emotion based reasoning...

Seniority matters are dealt with in a factual and reasoned approach. Representational elections are just that... a choice between two options.

ALPA seems to have developed an emotional affection for the $11M they are in danger of loosing. They are nearly hysterical. They have adopted a vindictive and hateful spirit toward those who don't kiss the ring. They flip-flop from condescension to seduction and wear lipstick like any good pig.

Their emotionalism and predatory affection is embarrassing and is just one consideration among many when casting the vote.

A bigger consideration is the flood of emotion they will spew on the fools who allow them to stay after threatening to force them to leave.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Seniority matters are dealt with in a factual and reasoned approach. Representational elections are just that... a choice between two options.

ALPA seems to have developed an emotional affection for the $11M they are in danger of loosing. They are nearly hysterical. They have adopted a vindictive and hateful spirit toward those who don't kiss the ring. They flip-flop from condescension to seduction and wear lipstick like any good pig.

Their emotionalism and predatory affection is embarrassing and is just one consideration among many when casting the vote.

A bigger consideration is the flood of emotion they will spew on the fools who allow them to stay after threatening to force them to leave.

Well said.....Just imagine if ALPA had put forth as much effort trying to solve our seniority issues as they are trying to keep those dues from leaving.....I'm getting bombarded with USAPA pop up "ads" when I log onto ALPA and I am not directly involved....You'd think this was the single most important issue to ever face ALPA....That in itself is telling about this organization....