Thank-you Mesaba

[8HourPilot]

Sweet, and how much is my bonus this year?

I see you fly the E170 ............mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... Reverend Bedford spoke to me through God last night and informed me that upgrade for you is very near at hand (the right hand - just don't use it for any sinful pleasures in the meantime).
He said Christmas bonus time is just around the corner and you should enjoy the fruits (both of them) which he hath provided. Amen.

 

[8HourPilot]

That was effing funny!

Lear70 and GeneralLee......not the same but close. Look at the care taken to individually quote everything, classy!

I wish you guys would just get it over with and have sex...

 

[xjhawk]

yeah 32 an hour does not make it easy in minneapolis......but i am living with it....and i did not create the downward spiral...i am just living with it......i do not choose to leave the industry......you can if you want.

 

[profit]

You got a direct answer. It happened to slam your nose in a door where it didn't belong, sorry you were wrong about my background.


Not by the NMB. It would take a judicial action, the NMB doesn't have that authority. If YOU had any experience in law, or in the grievance process, you'd understand that.


Post some numbers then, show me where I'm wrong. IN WRITING, with excerpts from the NEW contract and moving forward each year for each seat, and then combine them for a grand total of % difference (remember, COLA is cumulative on the previous year, not the 1st year of the DOS).

I'm a betting man, I'll bet you a c-note it's well over the 10% mark and closer into the mid-teens as I said before.

Proof? Of what? That you can't debate competently? That you don't understand that you can't use a future 'possibility' as 'proof' of anything one way or another?

I didn't say Goldman Sachs just threw their money away, I simply said the MSA pilots would be lucky to see very much of it. If you'd actually READ what I wrote instead of just firing away, you'd see that.

Lear,

Obviously you have a pretty big ego and think you are really a super smart guy. I think you are fairly smart, but your extremism gets in the way of a few real issues. I appreciate your attempt to have the industry hold its ground, but you like to rail on anyone who is not a radical.

I am glad you think you have shamed me and others with your witty posts. I am sure in your mind you think you just won some big argument. I will let the viewers decide that.

By the way, in the Mesaba case, the NMB showed up as an adversary party to the unions and ATTEMPTED to use their "jurisdiction". Just so you know.

If I get a chance, I will try to post some numbers. I have been spending WAY too much time reading your posts lately. (and I am sure I don't type 130 wpm!)

And if Goldman Sachs bought the PCL claim, doesn't that mean they think the payout for unsecured creditors will be greater than 40%? I think 40+ is quite a bit more than you were referring to.

Good luck at AirTran. Maybe they will figure out you are so smart they will let you take over the CEO position...

 

[Lear70]

Obviously you have a pretty big ego and think you are really a super smart guy. I think you are fairly smart, but your extremism gets in the way of a few real issues. I appreciate your attempt to have the industry hold its ground, but you like to rail on anyone who is not a radical.

There's a HUGE difference between being a radical (which I don't believe I am) and someone who insists on the contract being followed and refusing to give ground when none should be given.

I am absolutely certain that most will agree that, in this case, no concessions were financially necessary for MSA's survival, especially after the not-inconsequential withdrawal MSA took just before filing.

I understand the dynamics involved in the courts, but my principles wouldn't have allowed anything but a No vote.

And since when did being principled = extremism?

I am glad you think you have shamed me and others with your witty posts. I am sure in your mind you think you just won some big argument. I will let the viewers decide that.

My intent wasn't to shame anyone until you came out swinging. My first post was very peaceful while stating my opinion, which is my right. If you hadn't gone on the offensive, I wouldn't have felt the need to slam you so thoroughly.

By the way, in the Mesaba case, the NMB showed up as an adversary party to the unions and ATTEMPTED to use their "jurisdiction". Just so you know.

Can you cite what page of the court records that is on so I can read EXACTLY how they attempted to do so? Page and paragraph, please.

If I get a chance, I will try to post some numbers. I have been spending WAY too much time reading your posts lately. (and I am sure I don't type 130 wpm!)

Suuurrrrre. IF you get a chance.

I'm SURE something will come up. Don't worry, I won't be offended.

And if Goldman Sachs bought the PCL claim, doesn't that mean they think the payout for unsecured creditors will be greater than 40%? I think 40+ is quite a bit more than you were referring to.

And how much of that will YOU as a pilot see? You really think you're going to see all of that money? If so, I have some oceanfront land here in TN to sell you...

Good luck at AirTran. Maybe they will figure out you are so smart they will let you take over the CEO position...

Wouldn't want the job, JL is doing just fine, thanks.

Lear70 and GeneralLee......not the same but close. Look at the care taken to individually quote everything, classy!

Me and the General? I don't know whether to be offended or to say thanks.

I wish you guys would just get it over with and have sex...

I'd probably have the same response that kid in your picture has...

Nice thought, though. 'Don't make war, make love, man!' LOL

 

[SplitBar]

Lear,

Obviously you have a pretty big ego and think you are really a super smart guy. I think you are fairly smart, but your extremism gets in the way of a few real issues. I appreciate your attempt to have the industry hold its ground, but you like to rail on anyone who is not a radical.

I am glad you think you have shamed me and others with your witty posts. I am sure in your mind you think you just won some big argument. I will let the viewers decide that.

By the way, in the Mesaba case, the NMB showed up as an adversary party to the unions and ATTEMPTED to use their "jurisdiction". Just so you know.

If I get a chance, I will try to post some numbers. I have been spending WAY too much time reading your posts lately. (and I am sure I don't type 130 wpm!)

And if Goldman Sachs bought the PCL claim, doesn't that mean they think the payout for unsecured creditors will be greater than 40%? I think 40+ is quite a bit more than you were referring to.

Good luck at AirTran. Maybe they will figure out you are so smart they will let you take over the CEO position...

That sums is up pretty good. There is no bigger tool than lear70. I know him and believe me that he is being laughed at as opposed to laughed with.

 

[n32jk]

I don't blame the mesaba guys one bit for voting this in, I wish we would just vote in our pinnacle contract and get it over with so we can all move on. I came to pinnacle to fly my a$$ off and to get to where i really want to go, a major. I did not come here to STFD or what ever the heck you bitter guys say. Half of the people at pinnacle that will vote on our contract will not even be here in 1 year, so I don't understand why everyone gets so pissed off. There is nothing we can do to change what management is going to do. They are going to get what they need to make money. XJ is a perfect example. How long has this been going on to get the same results? Or we could be like comair and get the best contract ever, look where they are now, falling back to the rest of us. The current proposal on the table for pinnacle might not be the best, but it gives fo's a raise, and with current attrition and with the majors hiring, it wont even matter to over half the pilot group in 3 years. Would you rather spend that 3 years doing what ASA is doing right now? I don't. I say good job to the XJ Guys who were voting yes because they just want to move on and get to where they need to go. Now its our turn for our union to "not give one cent" and then do it anyway in the end.

Well comair will get a concessionary agreement that will be a far better than PCL's contract is now. Even the XJ concessions are better than PCL.....IF you are only here to gain time and walk on the backs of other career pilots everywhere just to get your time to go to some elusive major job that you PROBABLY are'nt going to get this decade....maybe we should SHUT YOU DOWN. People like you are THE PROBLEM WITH THIS INDUSTRY.

 

[Lear70]

That sums is up pretty good. There is no bigger tool than lear70. I know him and believe me that he is being laughed at as opposed to laughed with.

Suuuurrrre you do.

Feel free to PM me and let me know who you are, or post it here. I'll be glad to own up to it if you do, in fact, know me personally.

As for the rest of this thread, it's a dead horse and I'm done debating, say whatever you want, I'm not going to trouble to respond anymore, I have better things to do.

Good luck to everyone at MSA, and my condolences again to the 'NO' voters. Hopefully your time there will be short-lived and you'll be on to bigger and better things.

 

[profit]

As for the rest of this thread, it's a dead horse and I'm done debating, say whatever you want, I'm not going to trouble to respond anymore, I have better things to do.

Good luck to everyone at MSA, and my condolences again to the 'NO' voters. Hopefully your time there will be short-lived and you'll be on to bigger and better things.

I agree. This is dead. Since you are a wise-ass, you can crunch the numbers for yourself. I am really not interested in doing your work for you. If you want the numbers, get them from one of your Mesaba "buddies". I stand by my own assertions.

As for the reference page from the court transcript, not going to do that either. I was there in court that day, so I remember it pretty well. But I am NOT going to search through thousands of pages to find that reference just for you. Knock yourself out. If you are smart as you claim to be, you know how to use search functions.

 

[8HourPilot]

Take it as you want Mr. Lear......I'm just saying that you can quote like none other. As for the rest, I'm not getting in the middle of this goat and pony show.
Unless you are the 9E that gave me $hit the other day for taking concessions, not knowing that I didn't even work for XJ.

You ought to educate your coworkers prior to educating the rest of us.

 

[Lear70]

Take it as you want Mr. Lear......I'm just saying that you can quote like none other. As for the rest, I'm not getting in the middle of this goat and pony show.

Unless you are the 9E that gave me $hit the other day for taking concessions, not knowing that I didn't even work for XJ.

You ought to educate your coworkers prior to educating the rest of us.

Heh heh...

Might want to check back a couple pages... I don't work for -9E anymore, haven't since early this year. They can take care of their own education, they have some excellent reps in most of the domiciles that can give them accurate info from the new MSA agreement, and those pilots can then decide for themselves.

I don't have the time to do the analysis dollar for dollar; if I still worked at PCL I would, as this new MSA agreement directly affects PCL's bargaining position (negatively).

 

[8HourPilot]

Ah, well congrats on that.
I was more referring to the lack of general brainpower of this 9E dude. We wear the same uniforms as the XJ boys....and everyone else really. First, who comes up to a stranger and starts in on them....and Second, why not look at the ID, or possibly the hat I was wearing (over my spikey hair).
Oh well, congrats just the same ;-)

Heh heh...

Might want to check back a couple pages... I don't work for -9E anymore, haven't since early this year. They can take care of their own education, they have some excellent reps in most of the domiciles that can give them accurate info from the new MSA agreement, and those pilots can then decide for themselves.

I don't have the time to do the analysis dollar for dollar; if I still worked at PCL I would, as this new MSA agreement directly affects PCL's bargaining position (negatively).

 

[Hawker dude]

Why are the 21 or 22 year old kids always to blame?!?! Guess what, we all paid to get our ratings, and you know why? Because we wanted to be pilots. Why don't you quit...take your bad attitude and get out of the industry...then, supply will be less than demand and the profession will be on the up and up again.

You were also a 21 or 22 year who wanted to fly for a living at one point, and it is NO DIFFERENT!

yes we were all young once, but not as stupid as you.

 

[Lear70]

Ah, well congrats on that.
I was more referring to the lack of general brainpower of this 9E dude. We wear the same uniforms as the XJ boys....and everyone else really. First, who comes up to a stranger and starts in on them....and Second, why not look at the ID, or possibly the hat I was wearing (over my spikey hair).
Oh well, congrats just the same ;-)

Thanks, and you're absolutely right, there's a lot of 9E's group that hear one thing and run with it, without verifying through a rep or even doing some research themselves.

I imagine there's people like that at every airline, just seems like we had a more vocal group of them when I was there.

Next time just b*tch slap him in the middle of his tirade, get his attention, and clue him in that he's yelling at someone not even involved in the problem. Would make a funny Youtube video...

 

[profit]

Suuuurrrrrre. If you believe you'll ever see more than 5 cents on the dollar into your pocket, you need to put down the crack pipe.

The ALPA spin team is evidently still alive and well...

Slam away, I gotta get back to wrenching...

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/952823.html

Robinson said he is "cautiously optimistic" that Mesaba creditors will be paid in full, including about $23 million claimed by Mesaba's four unions, representing pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and dispatchers.

HEY LEAR! THE CRACK PIPE IS TASTING PRETTY GOOD RIGHT ABOUT NOW!

 

[profit]

My intent wasn't to shame anyone until you came out swinging. My first post was very peaceful while stating my opinion, which is my right. If you hadn't gone on the offensive, I wouldn't have felt the need to slam you so thoroughly.

YOO HOO, LEAR!

Come on and tell me how badly you "slammed" me now. Or how you taught us all a lesson.

I am going to enjoy cashing that 100% claim check even more now, you freaking a$$clown...

 

[TAWS]

How about this scenario:

XJ: You guys have got to get rid of the MAIR letter!

MSA ALPA: Why??

XJ: Because if you don't, the deal won't go thru and your claim will be worth sh!t!

MSA ALPA: OK, it won't affect the senior guys anyway - what do we care? You have a deal!

XJ: ringggg .... ringgggggg .... Hey NWA, they went for it!!

 

[caneylane]

Instead of blasting the pilots, take a look at management. Mesaba was probably the last of the smaller regionals that people were actually happy to be at. Couldnt ask for a better group of people collectively whether it be fellow pilots, chief pilots, HR, schedulers, etc. Although I am furloughed, I feel lucky to have been a part of that airline before management tore it apart. The grass was greener there than any other place I have seen. You cant blame the pilot group for being caught in the crossfire of a devious, seemingly criminal plan that was meticuosly carried out over a period of time. Welcome to the new corporate America.

 

[Lear70]

YOO HOO, LEAR!

I'm at work, you fu*king idiot...

Come on and tell me how badly you "slammed" me now. Or how you taught us all a lesson.

I wasn't trying to teach you a lesson.

I was pointing out how worthless your debating skills were... and still are.

I am going to enjoy cashing that 100% claim check even more now, you freaking a$$clown...

You let me know how that works out for you.

"Cautiously Optimistic"... completely different animal than:

"All creditors HAVE been paid out at 100% and Mesaba has exited bankruptcy."

Let me know when that happens, mmmkaaay?

 

[profit]

You let me know how that works out for you.

"Cautiously Optimistic"... completely different animal than:

"All creditors HAVE been paid out at 100% and Mesaba has exited bankruptcy."

Let me know when that happens, mmmkaaay?

I will be sure to!

And you are right, we may only end up with 95 cents on the dollar!

Oh yeah, did I remind you that most if not all of us will see a NET pay raise when the day is done?