Thank-you Mesaba

[Smarta$$]

I don't blame the mesaba guys one bit for voting this in, I wish we would just vote in our pinnacle contract and get it over with so we can all move on. I came to pinnacle to fly my a$$ off and to get to where i really want to go, a major. I did not come here to STFD or what ever the heck you bitter guys say. Half of the people at pinnacle that will vote on our contract will not even be here in 1 year, so I don't understand why everyone gets so pissed off. There is nothing we can do to change what management is going to do. They are going to get what they need to make money. XJ is a perfect example. How long has this been going on to get the same results? Or we could be like comair and get the best contract ever, look where they are now, falling back to the rest of us. The current proposal on the table for pinnacle might not be the best, but it gives fo's a raise, and with current attrition and with the majors hiring, it wont even matter to over half the pilot group in 3 years. Would you rather spend that 3 years doing what ASA is doing right now? I don't. I say good job to the XJ Guys who were voting yes because they just want to move on and get to where they need to go. Now its our turn for our union to "not give one cent" and then do it anyway in the end.

You are soo wrong. I am embarrased to call you a co-worker. For the others reading...... Of all the people that I have met at 9E, I have only met ONE other that felt this way. And he was from........... Yep ERAU and Gulfstream both.

We will not settle for the companies existing proposal. Period.

 

[8HourPilot]

Pot........meet kettle.

Last I checked United narrowbody guys were flying 90 hours MINIMUM a month.

Hey mesaba guys

Please do me a favor when we pass in the hall in DTW. Make the sign of an L on your forehead and keep on going. This is twice you guys have talked big and come up short. Never would have become a pilot if someone had told me I was going to keep company with whores and *************************'s.

I know, you will all tell me you voted no. Enjoy your 90 hrs of flying per month.

 

[8HourPilot]

More BS from TNT, stop wasting our time with your ramblings.

Who's your carrier? Who do you work for? Come on man, let em drop, whip em out, and prove you are worth what you type.

Thank-you for proving my point!!

Hey Guys...68% of the ALPA industry (proven by NWA and MESA-BA) think this way. Open your eyes! The ones that disagree, are in the MINORITY.

SOLD OUT!!!

And I bet ol' Dee-Wayne Worthless ("Mr. I will not sign another concession-OH THERE'S ANOTHER ONE I WILL GLADLY SIGN-ary contract will put his foot down, right? Sell-outs!

(I'd like to revise my first post...SKYWEST should be substituted for CHICKEN-TACO/Re-PUBIC. At least SKYWEST has the balls to stay out of the ALPA mess, and keep their 2% every month.)

 

[Jack Mehoff]

More BS from TNT, stop wasting our time with your ramblings.

Who's your carrier? Who do you work for? Come on man, let em drop, whip em out, and prove you are worth what you type.[/quote

TNT works for Blow-Jet

 

[8HourPilot]

Oh I hope he does.


Come on TNT, tell us who cuts your checks......out with it.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

well the check for the Car, Visa Bill, Rent, and Phone Bills are most likely cut by his daddy

 

[8HourPilot]

One would think he would have to be, considering the place of employment. "Hey dad, I went over on my text's this month."

 

[Jack Mehoff]

just find the next time DMB is rolling through Chi-town and you will find TNT there in the front row

 

[marycon]

Everyone seems to forget that Mesaba is in bankruptcy. A sham one or not it is a legal fact. That being said this entire concessionary deal was forced upon the employees. It was not as if the company came and said if you give up this we will get more planes etc. As a matter of fact, pre-bankruptcy when Mesaba was awarded those 15 CRJ's the company did come to the union looking for financial relief to the contract and the union said no. Had they said yes at that time then all of the "you lowered the bar" folks would be justified in what they are saying.

The bankruptcy gives little to no room. We were faced with a bad choice and a worse choice. Be imposed upon with this or vote for something better. No other choice. If the vote were to have come out as no then we would have been imposed upon and the legal process would have continued to what end? More speculation.

As an emotional issue sure it was no brainer to vote no because you're mad at the company. Take the emotion out of it and there were good reasons to vote for it and against it. But again it boils down to a bad choice and a worse choice.

It has been interesting listening to everyone during this process especially the more vocal of us, and most of what has been said/predicted by those has been wrong; Mesaba will never declare bankruptcy. Mesaba will never furlough anyone. This is all a bluff. Northwest will not get rid of the Avros. Mesaba will not be a 49 Saab fleet, etc etc. Those saying no the loudest were saying these things from the get go, and I don't see a very good track record in their predictions to date nor what they thought a voting down of the TA would bring.

 

[mesaba2425]

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...23#post1160223

Was there ever any doubt that the TA would pass? This is the second time in the last 5 years that Mesaba pilots have pounded their chests and then backed down. They talk the talk but crumble at crunch time. XM management has got to love ALPA leadership. They sure make their job easier.

 

[HelloNewman]

Here's to you Mr. Mesaba Pilot Yes Voter Guy!

Your inept greed, and cowardly act has helped further lower the profession of the pilot.

All in the name of "This will help me get to be a Captain sooner, and get out of here!" That is no different than the Ho-Jets, Mesa, Skywest, and all of the other bottom feeders mentality.

There are no guarenteed additional aircraft coming. Even if you receive replacements for the Avro's you will still be lower than you were.

In the tradition of FlightInfo (but reversed),.... "You are no longer welcome in my jumpseat."

Question...what is your 2% dues getting you anyways?

Nothing I say.

You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Translation guys who disagree with the Mesaba Pilots vote are whiny babies. Perhaps you forgot the part where people are free to vote how they please? It sucks to take pay cuts I have to say but bankruptcy is bankruptcy. Sham or not there is not much you can do.

 

[SpartyOn]

Everybody wants everyone to fall on thier swords.... except themselves....

I stand by XJ!

This is exactly right. If Mesaba went on strike over this are any of you guys going to pay their bills if they lost their jobs? I doubt it. Every one of you that think Mesaba Pilots are wrong to ratify the TA are really just a bunch of loud mouth hypocrites. EVERY SINGLE regional airline pilot out there has a job because they do it for less money than the company they code share for bottom line. How many of you 9E guys felt bad over the last few years that Northwest had almost 1000 furloughed pilots while your airplanes flew old DC-9 routes? And let’s not forget that you guys have those airplanes to begin with because of your sub standard contract. Or what about ASA or Comair who agreed to fly 70 seat jets at a fraction of what Delta pilots would fly for, again while Delta pilots were out of work. So all of you jag offs that want to whine about how Mesaba pilots are lowering the bar can shut the f^%$ up.

 

[timmay]

I hope XJ gets a lot of growth. You guys would look good in 1900's. If I was still in the red tail family I would be pushiing to get rid of ALPA. Might as well have another 2% take home that could buy you lunch at taco bell.

 

[atrdriver]

I don't blame the mesaba guys one bit for voting this in, I wish we would just vote in our pinnacle contract and get it over with so we can all move on. I came to pinnacle to fly my a$$ off and to get to where i really want to go, a major. I did not come here to STFD or what ever the heck you bitter guys say. Half of the people at pinnacle that will vote on our contract will not even be here in 1 year, so I don't understand why everyone gets so pissed off. There is nothing we can do to change what management is going to do. They are going to get what they need to make money. XJ is a perfect example. How long has this been going on to get the same results? Or we could be like comair and get the best contract ever, look where they are now, falling back to the rest of us. The current proposal on the table for pinnacle might not be the best, but it gives fo's a raise, and with current attrition and with the majors hiring, it wont even matter to over half the pilot group in 3 years. Would you rather spend that 3 years doing what ASA is doing right now? I don't. I say good job to the XJ Guys who were voting yes because they just want to move on and get to where they need to go. Now its our turn for our union to "not give one cent" and then do it anyway in the end.

And what happens when it turns out that you can't get out in 1 year? When you are stuck with a POS contract that you have to work under for 5 or 6 years? Yes, the majors are hiring, or are going to start. CAL currently has over 15,000 aps on file. Are you going to be one of those lucky few who get on with a major as soon as you get your hours? Why don't you look around at all those who thought that 5 or 6 years ago, who ended up having stay there 5 or 6 years longer than they wanted to. Think about that when you vote in a POS contract.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

I couldn't agree with ATRDriver more. Taking a bad contract now may SEEM like a good idea because you hope for the growth that will allow you to move on, but what happens if the industry goes back into the toilet and you're stuck at XJ? Now not only will you not be moving on the Big Leagues but you're also stuck at a crappy place to work because you were short sighted.

When we finally do get something to vote on at ASA, if it's not a contract that I could work under for the next 10 years, I'll vote no because I know I may just end up stuck here for 10 years if things go poorly. And if a company has to shut it's doors because it can't afford a reasonable contract, then it should fold, I'll just consider it saving future pilots from a crap hole of a company.

People will argue that they have bills to pay, a family to feed, I can't let the company fold... Well, you were intelligent enough to get your ratings, you're intelligent enough to make it in the job market, especially considering you can make more money at Home Depot on day one than you can as a 1st year FO.