Would you takeoff 25 lbs over gross?

[Groundpounder]

Really? Why's that? We drained fuel regularly when the examiner (who was rather large) and student would put the airplane over gross for the checkride. No big deal. Just don't smoke while you're doing it. Actually the FBO should do it for you, that whole liability thing.

And if the FBO is smart, they will charge you to cover their liablity. Its a $50 min where I work to defuel an aircraft.

 

[TonyC]

On saturday I will be taking two friends up in a Cessna 172 and just realized that since I'm the first flight of the day for the rental that the tanks will be full. I calculated that based on all our weights we will bean issue here.

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What should I do?

Carry an empty 5-gallon gas can with you to the airport. (I don't know why they call those things cans when they're actually made of plastic, but that's another thread..) Before you go fly, drain 2.5 gallons from each wing into the empty plastic can. Take a Sharpie permanent marker with you so you can label the plastic 5-gallon gas can with the type of fuel. (You wouldn't want to mix up 100LL with 87 Unleaded or Diesel 2.) Put the 5-gallon plastic can behind the back seat. During your first stop after 1 hour of flying, transfer 2.5 gallons of the 5 into the left tank, and the remainder in the right tank. Discard the empty 5-gallon plastic can, because you don't want fumes in the cockpit.


Simple, huh?









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[Flechas]

Since you are asking this question I'd suggest that you don't even go flying, for your safety and the safety of your friends...

 

[minitour]

Carry an empty 5-gallon gas can with you to the airport. (I don't know why they call those things cans when they're actually made of plastic, but that's another thread..) Before you go fly, drain 2.5 gallons from each wing into the empty plastic can. Take a Sharpie permanent marker with you so you can label the plastic 5-gallon gas can with the type of fuel. (You wouldn't want to mix up 100LL with 87 Unleaded or Diesel 2.) Put the 5-gallon plastic can behind the back seat. During your first stop after 1 hour of flying, transfer 2.5 gallons of the 5 into the left tank, and the remainder in the right tank. Discard the empty 5-gallon plastic can, because you don't want fumes in the cockpit.


Simple, huh?









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...check me if I'm wrong here...

Take 30 pounds out of the wings and put it in the back...the airplane will still be 25 over gross, no? Just because it isn't in the wings, doesn't mean it isn't in the airplane...

My opinion/advice....re check your W&B numbers...maybe just maybe you got the pax weights wrong?

-mini

*edit*
to answer your question, no...I'd never take a plane over gross/out of balance.

 

[GoJetPilot]

25 lbs????

 

[bigD]

...check me if I'm wrong here...

Take 30 pounds out of the wings and put it in the back...the airplane will still be 25 over gross, no? Just because it isn't in the wings, doesn't mean it isn't in the airplane...

My opinion/advice....re check your W&B numbers...maybe just maybe you got the pax weights wrong?

-mini

*edit*
to answer your question, no...I'd never take a plane over gross/out of balance.

mini - take a good look at Tony and I think you'll find his tongue planted firmly in his cheek.

 

[minitour]

mini - take a good look at Tony and I think you'll find his tongue planted firmly in his cheek.

*sigh*

Roger...I've got a pretty high density altitude right now...my bad

-mini

 

[9GClub]

Just assume you got the math wrong. If you overestimated you're legal and safe. If you underestimated........ you're still illegal and dangerous...... so you haven't lost anything.

 

[Flyin Tony]

Wheres the CG?

 

[FN FAL]

On saturday I will be taking two friends up in a Cessna 172 and just realized that since I'm the first flight of the day for the rental that the tanks will be full.

Either learn how to place a fuel order or take the one person up first and do the rest later...don't violate the limitations of the aircraft.

Need a reason to NOT violate the design limitations of an aircraft? Think about how swell it's going to be when your cell mate "Bronco Buster" is polishing your anal sphincter to a dull sheen. If you survive a crash of that aircraft and in the process someone dies or is seriously injured, the state you crashed in could charge you with criminal negligence.

 

[A1FlyBoy]

Fuel trucks can remove X gallons from each wing upon request.

 

[Milkdud99]

Carry an empty 5-gallon gas can with you to the airport. (I don't know why they call those things cans when they're actually made of plastic, but that's another thread..) Before you go fly, drain 2.5 gallons from each wing into the empty plastic can. Take a Sharpie permanent marker with you so you can label the plastic 5-gallon gas can with the type of fuel. (You wouldn't want to mix up 100LL with 87 Unleaded or Diesel 2.) Put the 5-gallon plastic can behind the back seat.
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If you take it outa the wing and put it in the back seat.. .now ur 26lbs over weight (including the "can)

 

[cynic]

Fly naked

 

[Checks]

Big D...you hit the nail on the head. I even printed off your statement about "Where do you draw the Line?" and posted it on the bulletin board at work

 

[FN FAL]

Big D...you hit the nail on the head. I even printed off your statement about "Where do you draw the Line?" and posted it on the bulletin board at work

You might also want to go to your state's statutes and copy the stat relevant to criminal negligence. If you think about drawing a line and that line is outside of the aircraft limitations or the FAR's, it won't be that hard for a prosecutor to convince a jury to convict.

 

[FN FAL]

Fourth of July weekend, full tanks, luggage, four people in a 172...Rod Serling could narrate this one...

CHI94LA216
On July 1, 1994, at 1119 central daylight time, a Cessna 172, N7472X, registered to Dale L. Storm of Black Creek, Wisconsin, collided with trees and the terrain during initial takeoff climb from runway 27 (1,350' x 90', grass) at the Shiocton Airstrip, Shiocton, Wisconsin. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and a VFR flight plan was filed. The private pilot and two passengers were seriously injured. A third passenger received minor injuries. The airplane was destroyed by impact and post crash fire. The flight was departing for La Crosse, Wisconsin, when the accident occurred.

The pilot stated, the winds were westerly at approximately 23 knots and the takeoff was normal. He reported that as he neared the wooded area west of the airport "...it seemed as if the wind stopped. I had no lift, airspeed started to drop." He stated he lowered the nose to increase airspeed but that the "winds were pushing down on plane." The airplane crashed in the wooded area and was destroyed by fire. The pilot stated he made the takeoff using 10 degrees of flaps and that the stall warning horn sounded prior to impacting the trees.

Two witnesses reported seeing the airplane take off "slowly" and it was "slow getting up in the air." One of the passengers stated the pilot initially attempted to take off on runway 36 (2,240' x 100') but was unable to get airborne. The pilot then elected to take off on runway 27.

Yea, I know they don't say anything about luggage and full fuel, but they were on their way to Iowa, with a stop in LaCrosse...probably to drop the kids off (Daughter and boyfriend). Shiocton has club fuel...and you know how cheap club fuel car gas is.

 

[MVSW]

Fly naked

I think I like this idea!!!!

Do it...It will teach you some lessons.
1. If you make it, it will scare the living *&%# out of you and you will probably never do it again and you just might shart on yourself.
2. it wont matter b/c you and your friends wont be here

So take your pick!!! I would stay home and drink a lil crown

 

[flyboyzz1]

yup sure would

 

[TurboS7]

Let me know where you are flying from and what FBO and what time. I will call the 1800 FAA WELOVEYOU line and make sure they are there to help you out.

 

[gern_blanston]

Here's what my 1st chief pilot used to tell us regarding decision-making:
Imagine yourself in front of the adminstrative law judge from the NTSB explaining your position after a drunk guy in a '150 taxis into you while you're in the runup area, drawing the full investigative attention of the FAA to your proposed flight.
YOU didn't crash. YOU didn't do anything to attract the attention of the Friendly Aviators Association. You didn't do anything but hope you wouldn't get caught.
But now YOU have to explain your decision to the Feds, who have gone over every inch of you, your pax, and your plane, with a fine-toothed comb.