Would you takeoff 25 lbs over gross?

[TonyC]

...check me if I'm wrong here...

Take 30 pounds out of the wings and put it in the back...the airplane will still be 25 over gross, no? Just because it isn't in the wings, doesn't mean it isn't in the airplane...

If you take it outa the wing and put it in the back seat.. .now ur 26lbs over weight (including the "can)

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[TrafficInSight]

Problem has been resolved. Called the FBO and they told me that two pilots before me have booked the plane and it will be down about 2 hrs from full fuel. I will therefore be 75 lbs UNDER gross at takeoff and not only legal but safe. Since I didn't violate an regs by simply discussing the matter y'all can stop flaming me now!


As for being criminally charged that would be much more difficult than proving a pilot violated a reg. Except in very extreme cases(IE: flying drunk, threatning the crew or vanzalizing an aircraft amont other extreme actions) I have never heard of that happening in a GA plane without willful intent in the USA. Some colorful comments for sure FAN FAL! Last time I checked there was no FAR that states that it is a violation to discuss violating an FAR. Thank you.

You've been misled... there actually aren't any FAR's anymore

 

[FN FAL]

Problem has been resolved. Called the FBO and they told me that two pilots before me have booked the plane and it will be down about 2 hrs from full fuel. I will therefore be 75 lbs UNDER gross at takeoff and not only legal but safe.

Awsome, that wasn't that hard now, was it? Just make sure you dipstick the plane before you go and fly your plan.

As for being criminally charged, that would be much more difficult than proving a pilot violated a reg. Except in very extreme cases(IE: flying drunk, threatning the crew or vanzalizing an aircraft amont other extreme actions) I have never heard of that happening in a GA plane without willful intent in the USA.

It doesn't have to be extreme cases, all you need is property damage, injury or death.

As far as the compairson of being convicted by an administrative law judge for a FAR violation v. being convicted in a criminal court? Hahaha...you can be tried by both...there is no federal preemption and in fact, the conviction in the administrative law court can be used as evidence in the criminal case.

Standards of Liability

Civil Liability

Simple negligence is the least culpable level of legal liability. It is usually defined as the failure to exercise "ordinary care in the circumstances." Liability does not attach to such misconduct unless the negligence is a cause of injury or damages. In the aviation industry, the violation of regulations such as the FARs, and failure to comply with good operating practices or procedures, may constitute a breach of the duty to exercise ordinary care. In this regard, airline and Part 135 charter operators are held to the "highest duty of care" because they act as common carriers when holding themselves out to the public — they carry anyone for hire. Private operators on the other hand are generally held to the standard of "ordinary care."

Federal Aviation Administration enforcement actions involve a different type of civil liability. The FAA is empowered by the Federal Aviation Act to issue certificates and licenses to regulate the industry. As a result, the FAA can bring enforcement actions and revoke or suspend the certificates or issue civil penalties when there have been violations of their rules. These proceedings are administrative law proceedings and are not criminal in nature. Indeed the FAA itself cannot bring criminal charges against aviation professionals; the FAA must refer such charges to the U.S. Justice Department for prosecution.

Criminal Liability

Criminal liability is established by federal criminal statute and various state criminal laws. It is important to understand that every state has its own criminal laws, and these laws vary significantly from state to state. Further, the states are not preempted from enacting laws to impose criminal sanctions on aviation personnel who engage in reckless conduct leading to injury, death or property damage.

 

[Lead Sled]

Problem has been resolved. Called the FBO and they told me that two pilots before me have booked the plane and it will be down about 2 hrs from full fuel. I will therefore be 75 lbs UNDER gross at takeoff and not only legal but safe. Since I didn't violate an regs by simply discussing the matter y'all can stop flaming me now!

Hey, they're just having a little fun. Actually, I respect you for asking the question. It's shows integrity on your part. Pilots run into this all of the time - to one degree or another. Is it OK for a mid-sized bizjet to takeoff 300 pounds overweight? or an airliner to take off 3,000 overweight? (The percentages are the same.) A couple of years ago I quit a corporate job that I held for 15 years because I consistantly refused to fly airplanes that were being operated "slightly" overweight or "slightly" out of the c.g. envelope. The chief pilot's rationalization...

"They build enough safety margin into the charts so that we can safely ignore them."

No you can't.

'Sled

 

[Milkdud99]

You've been misled... there actually aren't any FAR's anymore

This might be unrelated... but can i call "you" as soon as i see you or would that be wrong??
LOL
(not telephone call)

 

[minitour]

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yep...I bit...dammit...

-mini

 

[Publishers]

altitude above you, runway behind you, and weight you did not need on board for the flight.......... things most useless for a pilot.

 

[TonyC]

... weight you did not need on board for the flight.

We called those navigators.










justajoke, justajoke...







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[transpondersoff]

This guy is baiting us!!!!!!!!!

Well I do hear he is a master baitor.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

altitude above you, runway behind you, and weight you did not need on board for the flight.......... things most useless for a pilot.

I thought it was altitude above you, runway behind you, and fuel in the fuel truck...

 

[Some guy]

I wouldn't go overweight. I would improvise a little though...

1. Fill all empty spaces with helium balloons.
2. Fly without the doors.
3. Does the airport have a catapult?

Can anyone else help improvise?

 

[TonyC]

Can anyone else help improvise?

Have the passengers hold one foot off the floor for the first 30 minutes of flight.



Have one passenger sit in the other's lap.





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[MVSW]

Hey, they're just having a little fun. Actually, I respect you for asking the question. It's shows integrity on your part. Pilots run into this all of the time - to one degree or another. Is it OK for a mid-sized bizjet to takeoff 300 pounds overweight? or an airliner to take off 3,000 overweight? (The percentages are the same.) A couple of years ago I quit a corporate job that I held for 15 years because I consistantly refused to fly airplanes that were being operated "slightly" overweight or "slightly" out of the c.g. envelope. The chief pilot's rationalization...

"They build enough safety margin into the charts so that we can safely ignore them."

No you can't.

'Sled

You said it!! They are there for a reason. I had a professor at my university that was a Cessna test pilot tell me that "those number in the poh are from a NEW airplane". And i bet that plane is not new.

 

[Some guy]

I wouldn't go overweight. I would improvise a little though...

1. Fill all empty spaces with helium balloons.
2. Fly without the doors.
3. Does the airport have a catapult?

Can anyone else help improvise?

Here's another. Warmer fuel weighs less than cold fuel (per gallon). Just have the fuel heated to about 300°F. This be enough to take 25 lbs off.

 

[Milkdud99]

I wouldn't go overweight. I would improvise a little though...

1. Fill all empty spaces with helium balloons.
2. Fly without the doors.
3. Does the airport have a catapult?

Can anyone else help improvise?

Have the Pax jump during rotation!! Less weight for liftoff!