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Asked a rep at NBAA if they were hiring. He didn't know, but I gave him my card to forward to Gama...Havent heard anything yet.
 
BentOver said:
nearly $4,000/hr on a King Air?? :confused:

They also teamed up with JetSuite... A LAX-SEA flight on a 4 passenger Phenom 100 will run over $12,000 one way.....

I just don't see it..

Dichter, to me, is a glorified used car salesman ( a very good one) who has the right connections that are willing to hand him millions for any scheme he wishes..
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More than $4000 per hour. He expects members to fly 20-30 hours per year so factor in a 20 hour use with a $10K annual membership fee and you are talking nearly $4500 per flight hour but hey, you might get back stage access to Justin Beiber and a jar of Snake Oil.
 
BentOver said:
One could get a Beechjet or similar, with better range etc... For probably $2500/hr..... Just have to charter instead of do one of these buy in programs....
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Doesn't one hour most often turn into to two hours on a charter, when taking into account positioning? With this operation a one hour flight is a one hour flight. People will pay a premium for a new aircraft with continuity in the experience which a fractional type operation will provide. With the loss of avantair and CitationAir I think they will do well.
 
Sparse said:
Doesn't one hour most often turn into to two hours on a charter, when taking into account positioning? With this operation a one hour flight is a one hour flight. People will pay a premium for a new aircraft with continuity in the experience which a fractional type operation will provide. With the loss of avantair and CitationAir I think they will do well.
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Depends on the operator, but I highly doubt WU will move a bird for less than a minimum charge as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for fellow pilots finding work and the aviation sector getting busier. That being said, in my 10 years of flying charter I have learned that the kind of people willing to spend 4 grand an hour to fly, do NOT wanna see propellers on their mode of transport...we shall see i guess!
 
Sparse said:
Doesn't one hour most often turn into to two hours on a charter, when taking into account positioning? With this operation a one hour flight is a one hour flight. People will pay a premium for a new aircraft with continuity in the experience which a fractional type operation will provide. With the loss of avantair and CitationAir I think they will do well.
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Maybe, and maybe not. Either way, you can pay for one hell of a lot of repos with the savings. 4K per hour plus the high fees is outrageous for a B350. I completely disagree with your assessment. They have priced themselves out of the targeted niche market, and are competing with much more capable options at that price point. You could easily charter a sovereign including repos for less money when you consider the fully burdoned rates and the speed difference. Continuity and alleged, if not suspect, experience delta isn't going to offset that fact.
 
Marquis built it's model and "success" around the exclusive service of NetJets. No offense to Gama Aviation but their industry reputation is largely unknown to the targeted consumers. There is a big difference between a business jet in "Marquis by NetJets" and a turboprop in "Wheels Up by Gama".

At the time of of Marquis' sale to NetJets the value was in the brand name "Marquis by NetJets" and not much else. The Company had very little residual value and a ton of debt. Additionally, don't forget Dichter burned NetJets by returning a large portion his shares used for resale in cards back to NetJets when the economy tanked taking NetJets to the brink with debt. He is not well thought of by most people other than some pilots. Pilots like him because he gave out free stuff and said nice things about the pilots on national TV.
 
Probably going to see a few in Vegas too. GAMA has on office on the second floor at Signature.

Jussss sayin'
 
Schedule is 6 on 3 off are they F******** crazy hope not one pilot w************************* themselves out for that crap
 
I don't care what the pay is..( it's only a measly 75k for a capt) that schedule is bull********************. I feel like trying for a interview just to tell them to stick it to there face.. This industry has really turned into a bottom feeder job..at least ditch diggers work decent hours and have weekends off..
 
gunfyter said:
The reality is its always important to remain current if you are looking to move on.
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Valid point, which begs the question...IF this thing takes off (no pun intended) will it be nothing more than a "keep current" factory?!?
 
Or retirement playtime for the gummers in the crowd.
 
shanes123 said:
Schedule is 6 on 3 off are they F******** crazy hope not one pilot w************************* themselves out for that crap
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That is 10 days off a month, a lot better than many of the 135 operators out there, in fact better than my IBT union contract a former 121 air carrier. If you live in base that would be an alright schedule. Just about the same as our DA-20 drivers, who used tot get 7 days a month off.
 
^^^Sorry-but a 6/3 sched is horrible. Even if you live in base. The only thing that I have seen worse is 12/3 by another operator. At least give pilots an 8/6 or Heaven forbid the dreaded 7/7. ;)
 
wingnutt said:
Valid point, which begs the question...IF this thing takes off (no pun intended) will it be nothing more than a "keep current" factory?!?
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Valid pt. No training contract.
 
NoJoy said:
^^^Sorry-but a 6/3 sched is horrible. Even if you live in base. The only thing that I have seen worse is 12/3 by another operator. At least give pilots an 8/6 or Heaven forbid the dreaded 7/7. ;)
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Sounds like you should not work there, you will probably be unhappy. But there days off schedule is better than many of the 135 operators, and it would be a great place to build time and get experience for the next job. If I was "between jobs" and it was near where I lived I would jump on this in a heartbeat.

You probably would have not taken a job at FedEx back in 1975, $400/mo for a DA-20 F/O, pay for training, only fly at night. You just can never tell.

repeat, but fits here. I reported aboard CVAN-65 USS Enterprise in 1975. At that time civilian flying jobs a scarce. I meet this guy who is getting out, going to work for company doing overnight mail, paid $400/mo for a F/O's job, he had to use his GI bill for training in the right seat of the DA-20. The company must have had a gov't contract I thought with a name like Federal Express. He stayed at FedEx, ran across him at a CO's conference in the late 80's he was like a double-digit seniority number.

It has been said that is will take you 10 years to determine if you made the right move. There is tremendous amount of luck in picking any job
 
pilotyip said:
That is 10 days off a month, a lot better than many of the 135 operators out there, in fact better than my IBT union contract a former 121 air carrier. If you live in base that would be an alright schedule. Just about the same as our DA-20 drivers, who used tot get 7 days a month off.
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Your the reason this profession is what it is today.. You make me sick!!!!
 
"It has been said that is will take you 10 years to determine if you made the right move. There is tremendous amount of luck in picking any job. "

Agree that Yip has always set his sights too low. But sometimes he is right, as above.
 
I am sorry

shanes123 said:
Your the reason this profession is what it is today.. You make me sick!!!!
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Yes I have singlehandedly (word?) destroyed this profession, it was a lot of work going to all those former employers and putting them out of business. I'm sorry it made you sick. I know the reality of this business does that to people who are in it for the wrong reasons. There is cure for this though, it is called the ignore function.
 
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shanes123 said:
Your the reason this profession is what it is today.. You make me sick!!!!
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Why are you so angry at everything and everybody? You probably have good points, but it is hard to get to them with all the vitriol.

Don't get excited, but it is "You're the reason...".
 
wingnutt said:
Valid point, which begs the question...IF this thing takes off (no pun intended) will it be nothing more than a "keep current" factory?!?
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The regional airline of the fractional world in a sense... If that is the case then Avantair has found a replacement!
 
Capt. JD said:
The regional airline of the fractional world in a sense...
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Naw, we already had that with Options' current contract pay rates and scope (non-) protections, not to mention effective ongoing pay cuts through fleet displacements (insisted upon by our unioin leadership, but entirely not their fault).
 
gret said:
Why are you so angry at everything and everybody? You probably have good points, but it is hard to get to them with all the vitriol.

Very simple answer..many years ago I got into this proffesion proud to be a pilot excited to work with highly intelligent professionals however over the years I have experienced the complete opposite complete idiots that don't have a ounce of common sense. There willing to whore themselves out to the lowest bidder. Take whatever ********************ty wages, schedule, and benefits that is offered to them. Getting slapped in the face and only saying " Thankyou sir may I have another" so yes I am angry I'm very angry and I'm embarrassed to what this proffesion has become. It is no longer a job filled with proffesionals, but with pathetic losers that have no self respect for this proffesion or themselves.. So to say I'm angry is a drastic understatement...
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shanes123 said:
gret said:
Why are you so angry at everything and everybody? You probably have good points, but it is hard to get to them with all the vitriol.

Very simple answer..many years ago I got into this proffesion proud to be a pilot excited to work with highly intelligent professionals however over the years I have experienced the complete opposite complete idiots that don't have a ounce of common sense. There willing to whore themselves out to the lowest bidder. Take whatever ********************ty wages, schedule, and benefits that is offered to them. Getting slapped in the face and only saying " Thankyou sir may I have another" so yes I am angry I'm very angry and I'm embarrassed to what this proffesion has become. It is no longer a job filled with proffesionals, but with pathetic losers that have no self respect for this proffesion or themselves.. So to say I'm angry is a drastic understatement...
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I'm pretty curious where in your opinion the line is between professional and whore? Not everyone can be at the top of this industry, but everyone should have the right to ply their trade while they work their way up the ladder. Unless your a senior captain at FedEx, I'm not sure you have the right to throw stones. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and you may choose to leave this profession if and when it no longer meets your personal expectations. However, you don't have the right to make that determination for others. Being angry is a personal choice, and I'll wager it will do very little to help you reach your goals in this career.
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You correct in many ways Randy, BTW we had a guy come to work for us in GRR several years ago who was one of the first guys hired into the Falcons at FedEX and thought it was going nowhere. He quit and spent the rest of his career kicking around from one loser company to another beating himself up. Too bad but that the way the mop flops sometimes.
 

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