Wheels up

[KiddDynomite]

Everything is a give and take in negotiations and something has to give if something is taken. Is 250K unreasonable? Probably not but what is the give? Harry is not going to give in to that without a serious take. Is it a good target? Yes. I am all for it but is realistic, I can't say, no one really knows what the real numbers are. What we do need to do is uphold our profession to the best of our abilities and accept only improvements. This career has been crap enough!!

 

[jetlag7]

Everything is a give and take in negotiations and something has to give if something is taken. Is 250K unreasonable? Probably not but what is the give? Harry is not going to give in to that without a serious take......

We've already been giving for the last 6 years and they have gladly taken.

Considering the price of pilots with similar training, experience and qualifications, we've been giving away one hell of a bargain.

 

[KiddDynomite]

We've already been giving for the last 6 years and they have gladly taken.

Considering the price of pilots with similar training, experience and qualifications, we've been giving away one hell of a bargain.

How have we been giving for the last six years? The IBB was voted in and that's what we've been working under. I voted no on it for many reasons and one of them was being six years long. Thank the kool-aid drinkers for the loss of buying power when there was more to be had. We still have too many guys that have no sense of value for their self worth or the value of our profession.

 

[KiddDynomite]

Back to Wheels up and Kenny d's newest scam!

 

[jetlag7]

How have we been giving for the last six years? The IBB was voted in and that's what we've been working under. I voted no on it for many reasons and one of them was being six years long. Thank the kool-aid drinkers for the loss of buying power when there was more to be had. We still have too many guys that have no sense of value for their self worth or the value of our profession.

You just answered your own question.

 

[KiddDynomite]

We have not given anything back to the company. we are working under a contract that was democratically voted in. That's the agreement. There is no give back in it at all. What has been going on is the erosion in quality of life on the road and nothing done by our illustrious union leaders past or present to stand up to an EMT that is chipping away at everything we fought for. Now I will say in the six years since the IBB our price has dramatically risen and this definitely needs to be addressed but as for giving anything back you've been under a contract. Time to change the contract.

 

[ksu_aviator]

An airplane is an airplane. I don't care if it is a King Air, Citation, Hawker, Airbus, or Boeing.

Why some are willing to take peanuts ($70k) to do the same job is pathetic. How much does a SWA PIC make? Why is he worth more than you?

Because he moves 1,000 people in a day and a king air pilot moves 8.

 

[fischman]

Because he moves 1,000 people in a day and a king air pilot moves 8.

So what?

Rock Chalk Jayhawk

 

[Pervis]

Because he moves 1,000 people in a day.....

I doubt that. That's about 7 legs a day with full jets. Besides, the combined net worth of one frac owner and the hourly rate he/she pays likely exceeds the combined net worth of the trash the major air carriers haul.

 

[jonjuan]

I doubt that. That's about 7 legs a day with full jets. Besides, the combined net worth of one frac owner and the hourly rate he/she pays likely exceeds the combined net worth of the trash the major air carriers haul.

Then 10/250 should be a chip shot.

 

[KiddDynomite]

I doubt that. That's about 7 legs a day with full jets. Besides, the combined net worth of one frac owner and the hourly rate he/she pays likely exceeds the combined net worth of the trash the major air carriers haul.

LOL! That is true except for those flights out of LAX carrying all the starlets! Seriously that is a such a goofy notion because the airlines fly bigger planes! Get real! Try flying in a fractional environment transitioning between controlled and uncontrolled ops, circling approaches and often into a place you have never seen and are unfamiliar with, international ops, customs, actual customer service not a half-ass announcement, mountain ops and basically just being on your own with little in the way of support other than we sent your flight release five hours ago and the weather was good then! Fractional flying is way more dynamic, challenging and demanding. We use every bit of our knowledge, skills and experience daily not subsets or routine. Frac pilots deserve to be highly compensated because they earn it!

 

[barnyard]

Fishman, what was starting pay when you signed up to work for NJA?

29k, right? Not very Awesome.

 

[jehtplane]

LOL! That is true except for those flights out of LAX carrying all the starlets! Seriously that is a such a goofy notion because the airlines fly bigger planes! Get real! Try flying in a fractional environment transitioning between controlled and uncontrolled ops, circling approaches and often into a place you have never seen and are unfamiliar with, international ops, customs, actual customer service not a half-ass announcement, mountain ops and basically just being on your own with little in the way of support other than we sent your flight release five hours ago and the weather was good then! Fractional flying is way more dynamic, challenging and demanding. We use every bit of our knowledge, skills and experience daily not subsets or routine. Frac pilots deserve to be highly compensated because they earn it!

I have done both, and I highly disagree. Fltplan.com takes 5 mins. As far as the challenges, its no different. Passing out a coca cola, and loading and unloading golf clubs with a big smile and being polite is not challenging, neither is the flying, if anything I thought the fractional flying was easier.

 

[jetlag7]

I have done both, and I highly disagree. Fltplan.com takes 5 mins. As far as the challenges, its no different. Passing out a coca cola, and loading and unloading golf clubs with a big smile and being polite is not challenging, neither is the flying, if anything I thought the fractional flying was easier.

I've done both as well and I disagree with your disagreement.

I think fractional flying has been the most dynamic and challenging type of flying in my career.

 

[Gators]

I've done both as well and I disagree with your disagreement.

I think fractional flying has been the most dynamic and challenging type of flying in my career.

I too have done both. This^ by far