What do RJET pilots think happens after RJET SLI?

[UALX727]

Not trying to change the subject....real quick can anyone tell me the number to call to list for a jumpseat on Republic for an off-line pilot? thx

 

[SizzleChest]

Not trying to change the subject....real quick can anyone tell me the number to call to list for a jumpseat on Republic for an off-line pilot? thx

not available to do that..... just show up at the gate an hour prior.

 

[SizzleChest]

Lets try something new and actually discuss this as gentlemen.

There is an infinite amount of publicly available information that conflicts with your statement above.

It is very important that we all get on the same page here. The fee for departure side of the operation is not "paying off" anything.

I am not sure what you mean by "F9 debt", but I assume that you are referring to operational p&l. F9 CASM was sub 6 cents until Republic started flying dozens of orphaned 37-70 seat aircraft that no longer had a home on a fee for departure CPA. CASM shot above 10 cents the first quarter after the branded ops inherited the small rj's. This is the exact reason that RJET is now rushing to obtain as many 320's and 190's as possible. The number of markets that can support a 50 seat aircraft is vastly smaller than the number of 50 seat rj's currently being serviced by the RJET balance sheet.


Republic HAD a very successful fee for departure operation. They were also one of the first to realize that the business model that afforded their growth and success during the 90's and early 00's was NOT going to be the model for future success.

RJET does not have a "cash cow" today. They actually have a cash problem. The golden goose has definitely laid its last egg, and the branded side needs to get its sh1t together or we are all going to be on the street.

The sooner all of us realize the mess we are in, the better.

The rush to obtain aircraft is because the loads didn't fall down as much as anticipated and 318s were returned for parts. they need planes ASAP to deal with loads. Had a F9 guy in the j/s a few days ago....

 

[FSIGRAD]

They are an outsource lift provider. Up until they merged with YX and F9 they never had to market, buy fuel, route plan, sell tickets or anything an airline would do. Who couldn't make a profit if most of your costs are fixed?

Actually they did do all this with Mookelle in HI. It didn't end up working out and it was not a big operation but maybe they learned something?

 

[StaySeated]

The rush to obtain aircraft is because the loads didn't fall down as much as anticipated and 318s were returned for parts. they need planes ASAP to deal with loads. Had a F9 guy in the j/s a few days ago....

Both parts are wrong.

Advance bookings for the 1st quarter are lower than expected.

Capacity increased in Q2 2010 by 7%.

Capacity increase in Q1 2011 is forcasted to be .5-2%.

Q3 numbers are due in three weeks.

The 318's were not "returned for parts". At least one 318 was parted out, while others were most definitely prepped and re-leased to other carriers.

The reason behind the rush to obtain "larger" aircraft is as follows:

"We also continue to be somewhat opportunistic with our fleet portfolio. Our goal is to increase our average seat density and get the efficiency from that and as an example that's why we're removing four 318s and one A70 from the brand of fleets in September. And these aircrafts will be replaced during the first half of 2011 by six new A320 aircraft as Hal mentioned. The effect of this change along with the Q400 retirements is that we expect our capacity growth in Q4 to be in the range of 1.5% to 3% in the Frontier business. And in Q1 2011 we actually expect our capacity by the business to full year be 0.5% and 2%. The additional of A320s next year allows us to continue to reduce unit cost in the branded network and the Denver have in particular further wide into our unit cost advantage over both of our hub competitors.
We're going to be making some significant seasonal changes to Milwaukee hub schedule in November that we believe will further improve our competitive position in this market. We're going base additional A319s in the Milwaukee to operate services into the big three northeast business markets of Boston, New York and Washington. And will be reducing banners from -- from four to three which will lower utilization on our highest cost fleet there which is the 135 and 145 aircraft."


Daniel Shurz - VP, Planning and Strategy
Q2 2010 Conference Call

 

[ABC123]

And will be reducing banners from -- from four to three which will lower utilization on our highest cost fleet there which is the 135 and 145 aircraft."

And yet the CHQ 135's and 145's have the most flights for F9 in and out of MKE.

The company forgets, if it was not for CHQ/TCF and RAH, Frontier and Midwest could never have been purchased.

Frontier cancelled our 170 contract and Republic employeees were furloughed due to 16 grounded 170's, and yet the Frontier people walk around has if they are better than us...Wise up, you are part of Republic, not better, but equal to the rest of us

 

[A320kid]

And will be reducing banners from -- from four to three which will lower utilization on our highest cost fleet there which is the 135 and 145 aircraft."

And yet the CHQ 135's and 145's have the most flights for F9 in and out of MKE.

The company forgets, if it was not for CHQ/TCF and RAH, Frontier and Midwest could never have been purchased.

Frontier cancelled our 170 contract and Republic employeees were furloughed due to 16 grounded 170's, and yet the Frontier people walk around has if they are better than us...Wise up, you are part of Republic, not better, but equal to the rest of us

Sorry to break the news to you but EVERY F9 pilot is better than any one of you guys. RAH pilots have a diluted mentality that you are equals because you fly the E190. I hate to break it to you but those guys flying 50 seats for Skywest make more than you. You are all commuter pilots who need to realize it will be years before you ever see the mainline side and thats if BB doesn't sell the FFD side before then.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Sorry to break the news to you but EVERY F9 pilot is better than any one of you guys. RAH pilots have a diluted mentality that you are equals because you fly the E190. I hate to break it to you but those guys flying 50 seats for Skywest make more than you. You are all commuter pilots who need to realize it will be years before you ever see the mainline side and thats if BB doesn't sell the FFD side before then.

Ha ha. His one and only post. Flamebait.

 

[chqflyer]

Ha ha. His one and only post. Flamebait.

I don't necessarily think it's total flamebait. There is a kernel of truth to it. F9 guys have all done the commuter pilot thing and have moved on to a real airline. It is somewhat insulting to demean that accomplishment by insinuating they are on the same level as a bunch of RJ pilots with nowhere nearly the same qualifications.

 

[Captain Morgan]

I may be a 145 pilot, but i'm still a pilot. Mainline, corporate, military, or regional, we all face the same challenge in some form or another. Don't die and don't kill anybody else. Only fools walk around toting the size of their paychecks, rank, or equipment. In the end it means nothing if you don't walk away from the flightline without screwing the pooch.

 

[chqflyer]

I may be a 145 pilot, but i'm still a pilot. Mainline, corporate, military, or regional, we all face the same challenge in some form or another. Don't die and don't kill anybody else. Only fools walk around toting the size of their paychecks, rank, or equipment. In the end it means nothing if you don't walk away from the flightline without screwing the pooch.

Yes we're all pilots, but there is a huuuuuuuuuge difference between us rj jockeys and mainline pilots. It's little league vs major league.

 

[AnimalTale]

And will be reducing banners from -- from four to three which will lower utilization on our highest cost fleet there which is the 135 and 145 aircraft."

And yet the CHQ 135's and 145's have the most flights for F9 in and out of MKE.

The company forgets, if it was not for CHQ/TCF and RAH, Frontier and Midwest could never have been purchased.

Frontier cancelled our 170 contract and Republic employeees were furloughed due to 16 grounded 170's, and yet the Frontier people walk around has if they are better than us...Wise up, you are part of Republic, not better, but equal to the rest of us

It has nothing to do with being better or worst. Most pilots paid their dues by flying for low paying and mediocre airlines like Mesa and Rah, then they got hired by nice, quality mainline airlines. I hate to break it to you but airlines like RAH are STEPPING STONES for mainline oriented pilots. You go to RAH to gain experience and you leave. Of course sometimes the situation does not allow for this (economy, mainline furloughs etc)

The only reason airlines like RAH, ETC... exist is because of mainline mngmt's false CRJ dreams, B scale mentality and the UNIONS lack of scope protection. If all these small jets were allowed to be under the mainline certificate we would have better quality careers, not just flying jobs.

Basically, if our mainline scope was ironclad 15 years ago, slave-labor rj outfits would not exist and all you REGIONAL PILOTS would have been Mainline pilots. Now, instead, we all are in the same boat. We are getting whipsawed against each other and are fighting some pretty deplorable work conditions.

Couple of caveats:

** Frontier, in my opinion, just became a real quality carrier in the 2000's. Before that time they were a low paying commuter (IMHO) 50k CA 35k FO..

** The "saying" "WE BOUGHT YOU GUY or IF IT WERENT FOR RAH, F9 WOULD NOT BE HERE" is spouted out by a lot of RAH employees. Here is my take, YOU NEEDED US to survive, as much as we needed you. Please dont forget this, you go to the supermarket to BUY FOOD. If you dont BUY FOOD to eat you DIE.

** If you are happy making 80K a year flying for RAH and that is your goal then congrats you made the big show and I do not mean to insult you. However, most pilots I talk to have always wanted to fly bigger jets for mainline companies that take care of their employees, rather than exploit them..

Thanks,

CYA

 

[embraerjetpilot]

Animal tale...

You seem to forget that you are now owned by RAH. Do you guys have any idea how quickly RAH will throw out your contract and simply ignore it? YOu guys havent been here long enough to see it, but if you wait I guarantee you will.

Did you guys not change insurance already? I guarantee its a drop from what you had.

Did you change 401k providers? Just go spend some time checking out the expense ratio.

It will come...with no integrated seniority list, a lot worse is to comv

 

[Flying Illini]

AnimalTale-
I'd love to know who the supposed RAH pilots are that are saying that F9 wouldn't be here if it weren't for RAH. That's not true and we all (at least most of us) know it. Maybe you hear more of this being out in Denver but that kind of talk just doesn't happen in an FFD base.

There is a far larger contingent of pilots at RAH that have decided to hang out here to see what the next 5+ years bring. If it will bring LCC quality workrules and pay, they see no reason to go elsewhere. To each his own. Personally, I feel that mgmt will not change and will always have that "regional" mentality. I don't want to go to a major to fly bigger airplanes (I would fly a king air for the right pay and work rules), I want to go to a major because their chances of survival (merger or not) are far better than an airline that relies so heavily on the FFD money. A small bump in fuel price and the only positive cash-flow will be coming from the FFD side...and it won't be enough to off-set the branded sides losses.

All we can do now is hope that the Single Carrier ruling comes back that we are one, otherwise the whipsaw will be in full force.

 

[AnimalTale]

AnimalTale-
I'd love to know who the supposed RAH pilots are that are saying that F9 wouldn't be here if it weren't for RAH. That's not true and we all (at least most of us) know it. Maybe you hear more of this being out in Denver but that kind of talk just doesn't happen in an FFD base.

There is a far larger contingent of pilots at RAH that have decided to hang out here to see what the next 5+ years bring. If it will bring LCC quality workrules and pay, they see no reason to go elsewhere. To each his own. Personally, I feel that mgmt will not change and will always have that "regional" mentality. I don't want to go to a major to fly bigger airplanes (I would fly a king air for the right pay and work rules), I want to go to a major because their chances of survival (merger or not) are far better than an airline that relies so heavily on the FFD money. A small bump in fuel price and the only positive cash-flow will be coming from the FFD side...and it won't be enough to off-set the branded sides losses.

All we can do now is hope that the Single Carrier ruling comes back that we are one, otherwise the whipsaw will be in full force.

First off look at my tag line! Popeye is a real RAH pilot. I guarantee there are more pilots like Popeye on your seniority list.

Second of all, I can almost guarantee, that you did not become a pilot because you wanted to fly a KingAir. You are stuck at RAH and now you have a chance to fly bigger metal for MUCH BETTER PAY than you would have ever had. However you are right, Bedford can and will demise our work rules.

Not trying to be insulting because life is what it is. I just can tell you wholeheartedly that FLying for any Mainline is better than flying for a Regional, no matter what flavor koolaid you drink.

CYA