US Airways Pilot/FA Recall

[Sandhawk]

Ah yes, another clear, accurate Internet posting containing nothing but whole truth.

DOH is a staple job? How does that work? US Air certainly hired most of its current pilots after the birth of America West Airlines, so where do you come up with this?

They (East) say that DOH doesn't staple AWA pilots to the bottom of the list, well it's obvious to me they (the east pilots) haven't looked at the DOH list to see what will actually happen.

On A DOH list (Dated 01-07 and not updated since this came out right after the arbitration what completed, here is what ACTUALLY happens to the AWA pilots.

Our number 1 pilot comes in at #847
in the top 1000 pilots 30 total are AWA pilots
in the top 2000 pilots 137 total are AWA pilots
in the top 3000 pilots 293 total are AWA pilots

So in the first 3000 pilots at Us Airways - only 293 are AWA pilots. That's out of 6519 on the total list. That's 9% of 3000 or 4.49% out of 6519 if I did the math correctly.

In the top 4000 pilots 533 are AWA pilots
in the top 5000 pilots 1156 are AWA pilots
in the top 6000 pilots 1403 are AWA pilots and
in the final 6519 pilots 1828 are AWA pilots.

Just in the LAST 3519 pilots at US Airways 1535 are AWA pilots. PLEASE someone tell me that this isn't being stapled on the bottom of the list. That's 43.6% of the last 3519 pilots are AWA pilots.

AWA pilots only comprise 29% of the total pilots on this list. As I said this list hasn't been updated since then. There are 4694 AAA pilots on this list and 1828 AWA pilots.

Still the statistics are there AWA is stapled in the bottom half of the list.

How bout them apples, bizzatch???

 

[HAL]

Well, at least we made to to page 7 before the thread devolved into another East/West battle.

Anyone for more Mexican food posts?

HAL

 

[Tweaker]

HAL, you missed the bile on page 5.

As you requested...

It is entirely reasonable that CLT should have some damnable respectable Mexican food, that area is entirely overrun by Mexicans. I am not saying anything political, just observational and statistical.

I probably don't know what authentic Mexican food is, but I knows what I likes. I know authentic Asian food is not all fried this and syrupy that, but that is what we have available here and it is also yummy. Knowing your audience is the game, me thinks.

We want it our way, right away! We like being fat, violent, xenophobic bastards! It's our "thing!" Billions and billions served, ya know.

 

[say again]

We want it our way, right away! We like being fat, violent, xenophobic bastards! It's our "thing!" Billions and billions served, ya know.

ughhh, gets me sick thinking about that place!! Glad I gave up that crap. uke:

 

[WickedPissa]

They (East) say that DOH doesn't staple AWA pilots to the bottom of the list, well it's obvious to me they (the east pilots) haven't looked at the DOH list to see what will actually happen.

On A DOH list (Dated 01-07 and not updated since this came out right after the arbitration what completed, here is what ACTUALLY happens to the AWA pilots.

Our number 1 pilot comes in at #847
in the top 1000 pilots 30 total are AWA pilots
in the top 2000 pilots 137 total are AWA pilots
in the top 3000 pilots 293 total are AWA pilots

So in the first 3000 pilots at Us Airways - only 293 are AWA pilots. That's out of 6519 on the total list. That's 9% of 3000 or 4.49% out of 6519 if I did the math correctly.

In the top 4000 pilots 533 are AWA pilots
in the top 5000 pilots 1156 are AWA pilots
in the top 6000 pilots 1403 are AWA pilots and
in the final 6519 pilots 1828 are AWA pilots.

Just in the LAST 3519 pilots at US Airways 1535 are AWA pilots. PLEASE someone tell me that this isn't being stapled on the bottom of the list. That's 43.6% of the last 3519 pilots are AWA pilots.

AWA pilots only comprise 29% of the total pilots on this list. As I said this list hasn't been updated since then. There are 4694 AAA pilots on this list and 1828 AWA pilots.

Still the statistics are there AWA is stapled in the bottom half of the list.

How bout them apples, bizzatch???

DOH is a black and white issue. In order of specific day in time you were hired. No staples. 846 East guys working before West #847. Sesame Street counting techniques tell me that 847 comes after 846.

What was this thread about again? Did anyone get a certified letter with a class date yet?

 

[eaglesview]

They (East) say that DOH doesn't staple AWA pilots to the bottom of the list, well it's obvious to me they (the east pilots) haven't looked at the DOH list to see what will actually happen.

On A DOH list (Dated 01-07 and not updated since this came out right after the arbitration what completed, here is what ACTUALLY happens to the AWA pilots.

Our number 1 pilot comes in at #847
in the top 1000 pilots 30 total are AWA pilots
in the top 2000 pilots 137 total are AWA pilots
in the top 3000 pilots 293 total are AWA pilots

So in the first 3000 pilots at Us Airways - only 293 are AWA pilots. That's out of 6519 on the total list. That's 9% of 3000 or 4.49% out of 6519 if I did the math correctly.

In the top 4000 pilots 533 are AWA pilots
in the top 5000 pilots 1156 are AWA pilots
in the top 6000 pilots 1403 are AWA pilots and
in the final 6519 pilots 1828 are AWA pilots.

Just in the LAST 3519 pilots at US Airways 1535 are AWA pilots. PLEASE someone tell me that this isn't being stapled on the bottom of the list. That's 43.6% of the last 3519 pilots are AWA pilots.

AWA pilots only comprise 29% of the total pilots on this list. As I said this list hasn't been updated since then. There are 4694 AAA pilots on this list and 1828 AWA pilots.

Still the statistics are there AWA is stapled in the bottom half of the list.

How bout them apples, bizzatch???

That's an interesting post. I wonder if you could assume no one retires till 65 and run it for 2018 and 2023 and watch how fast the west would rise up the list just from retirements.

You have good information but give the rest of the story.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Well I tried, I'm surprised they made it this far. I suppose we will have to start another thread for them to hijack at a later date. I'm out of this one, Received the first letter, now it's time to look for that certified letter. I look forward to getting back to work but must admit I don't miss the love fest these two pilot groups have going on. That's what they make ear plugs for. Right??

 

[TWA Dude]

DOH is a black and white issue... No staples.

You're confusing cause and effect. Seniority lists can either be ratio-ed (dovetailed) together, stapled together or a tiered combination of both. The methodology for doing so is a separate issue. A DOH integration could easily result in a staple job which is exactly what the Easties want with the Westies.

The true 'black and white issue' is that the Easties want use their greater numbers to get around an agreed-to arbitration. Wielding the 'DOH' mantra is merely subterfuge.

 

[OnTheDole]

Dole, you should know that DOH matters to Easties. Man, they got a whole new union fighting for it. They got your back!

Thats the problem... now I can sit down without one of those inflatable pillows.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

DOH is a black and white issue. In order of specific day in time you were hired. No staples. 846 East guys working before West #847. Sesame Street counting techniques tell me that 847 comes after 846.

What was this thread about again? Did anyone get a certified letter with a class date yet?

:crying::bawling::crying::bawling::crying:

You're confusing cause and effect.

You do realize you're talking to an east flight attendant don't you?

 

[WickedPissa]

You're confusing cause and effect. Seniority lists can either be ratio-ed (dovetailed) together, stapled together or a tiered combination of both. The methodology for doing so is a separate issue. A DOH integration could easily result in a staple job which is exactly what the Easties want with the Westies.

The true 'black and white issue' is that the Easties want use their greater numbers to get around an agreed-to arbitration. Wielding the 'DOH' mantra is merely subterfuge.

I'm not arguing or stirring the pot. Is the "current" list right now strictly DOH? Or is it one of the kinds you mentioned above.

 

[TWA Dude]

Is the "current" list right now strictly DOH?

Which "current" list? There's four of them: current AWA, current USAir, the integrated Nicolau list and the USAPA Wet Dream list.

 

[WickedPissa]

Which "current" list? There's four of them: current AWA, current USAir, the integrated Nicolau list and the USAPA Wet Dream list.

The 4th one. All emotions aside, isn't that the one on the table right now in court again? I thought that was strictly DOH. Correct me if I am wrong. Once again, not arguing just curious.

 

[St. Nic]

The 4th one. All emotions aside, isn't that the one on the table right now in court again? I thought that was strictly DOH. Correct me if I am wrong. Once again, not arguing just curious.

Its not strictly DOH, the empire and Trump shuttle pilots were slotted. Otherwise, yes it is DOH as it should and will be.

 

[WickedPissa]

Its not strictly DOH, the empire and Trump shuttle pilots were slotted. Otherwise, yes it is DOH as it should and will be.

Thanks for clarifying. So it is strictly date of hire from the two existing east/west lists at the date of the east/west merger. So my point was no "staple" job. If it was, # 800 and whatever on the west would be nailed to to bottom with a 3000ish number. Not trying to piss anyone off. Just stating it is by definition, DOH. Call it staple if you wish. I'm done. Thanks. Back to the recall.

 

[LearLove]

this is great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNK9DiP1oV8&feature=related

I think she had the chicken

and yet another classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLaBZlWYStI&NR=1

 

[WickedPissa]

Hey, I just heard USAir is recalling 80 guys.

 

[TWA Dude]

So my point was no "staple" job.

Okay, so you like USAPA's wet dream list. Good for you. How do you feel about the fact that USAPA wishes to ram it down the throats of the West?

 

[TWA Dude]

All emotions aside, isn't that the one on the table right now in court again?

Actually, no. The court case was about USAPA's failure to represent the West fairly. Apparently it isn't ripe yet but that could change very soon. Or, the court may rule separately that the airline can also be held liable for a DFR which would make them not even look at USAPA's list. Stay tuned.

 

[WickedPissa]

Okay, so you like USAPA's wet dream list. Good for you. How do you feel about the fact that USAPA wishes to ram it down the throats of the West?

I said to keep emotions aside. I was just saying it is wrong to call it a staple list. It is DOH period.

But since I tried to keep it civilized and get this reaction, yes I love the Wet List. I hope USAPA rams it down. (nothing personal to you since I don't know you. Just in general ,I like it).

I am just confused where the All American Airways guys are going to be stapled to.

Still, have you guys heard the big news? USAirways is recalling 80 guys!