US Airways & American

[reepicheep]

Not exactly Carl....the east guys are smart see, they're always a step ahead of the game. Because we all know Airways "owns the northeast" and, sans PHX, presides over the most valuable route-structure in the industry. The various entities overseeing the AMR BK will see the light and there will be a AMR/LCC merge - stay with me now - with a Gold Standard DOH seniority do-over. The east pilots hit the books in 777 school, the west pilots hit the street as PHX turns into the next PIT.

 

[St. Nic]

and this is why I just laugh when I hear stuff like "we had this east captain on the jumpseat and they are really getting tired of LOA 93..."

The east are happy as clams with status quo. USAPA's explicit reason for formation - reneging on their agreements and by all means at their disposal causing delay delay delay - continues to be a smashing success! Attrition and resultant upgrades are taking care of pay raises. LOA 93 forever!

Exactly- binding ratification! Lol

 

[Guppiedriver]

Not exactly Carl....the east guys are smart see, they're always a step ahead of the game. Because we all know Airways "owns the northeast" and, sans PHX, presides over the most valuable route-structure in the industry. The various entities overseeing the AMR BK will see the light and there will be a AMR/LCC merge - stay with me now - with a Gold Standard DOH seniority do-over. The east pilots hit the books in 777 school, the west pilots hit the street as PHX turns into the next PIT.

Yep, that will give them enough hope to stay the course.

 

[Turtle21]

Here is the history of the formation of APA, for further reading: APA was formed for a good cause.

http://alliedpilots.org/Public/AboutAPA/Background/apa_the_details.asp

I don't think the same could be said for USAPA. Agree to binding neutral arbitration, then renege and form a separate union?

ALPA decided to screw their dues paying members and they got ********************-canned. Same story, different decade.

P.S. It doesn't matter why USAPA was formed. A majority of ALPA pilots ********************-canned ALPA.. by pilot voting :lol: something ALPA despises.

 

[reepicheep]

Not exactly...Nicolau showed you how grossly behind the rest of the industry (really didn't matter who the merger partner was) your longevity/seniority picture was - didn't buy your DOH mantra - and you guys went over to the dark side.

I guess if it makes you feel better, blame ALPA. You always gotta blame somebody, you guys; right?

 

[Carl S.]

Celebrate tonight and this week Easties, you have proven once again that you are the MAJORITY!!!! Your reward is the incompetent leadership of Hummel and Bradford, what a catch! I will wait till Silver rules, but you got Seheam back, so double down like it's 2008 all over again, LOA 93 for everyone, Bradfords buying!!! DOH is DOA, but you can dream of upgrading at 62 for three years on reserve on the E190 in PHL!!!


P.S.-reepicheech dream all you want about the future, like my six year old and his MLB dreams, it's cute!!!!!

 

[Turtle21]

Not exactly...Nicolau showed you how grossly behind the rest of the industry (really didn't matter who the merger partner was) your longevity/seniority picture was - didn't buy your DOH mantra - and you guys went over to the dark side.

I guess if it makes you feel better, blame ALPA. You always gotta blame somebody, you guys; right?

ALPA never wanted to accept a real pilot vote either. And they had plenty of condescension for those who weren't smart enough to vote the correct way.

At least John Prater wasn't stupid enough to play the ALPA-is-the-unappreciated-victim card. He knew he had plenty of dues members who would do that for him.

 

[Metrojet]

Celebrate tonight and this week Easties, you have proven once again that you are the MAJORITY!!!! Your reward is the incompetent leadership of Hummel and Bradford, what a catch! I will wait till Silver rules, but you got Seheam back, so double down like it's 2008 all over again, LOA 93 for everyone, Bradfords buying!!! DOH is DOA, but you can dream of upgrading at 62 for three years on reserve on the E190 in PHL!!!


P.S.-reepicheech dream all you want about the future, like my six year old and his MLB dreams, it's cute!!!!!

Carl S - sounds like you had a few beers there when you typed that - very delusional

Solution for the westies - agree to conditions and restrictions and maybe Hummel and Bradford could get ALL of us a new contract.

Metrojet

 

[Bringupthebird]

The funny thing is that Hummel was chastised for coming to Phoenix, but now that he's Pres (sorta) his puppet-masters won't allow him to step foot anywhere near Phoenix. Thee east just elected the weakest candidate they could have to lead the pilots into a seniority integration with American.

However, if that doesn't happen, and the pilots just have to do nothing, then you got the right guy.

 

[Carl S.]

Metro- no drinking for me, just reality that my co-workers are still on the path of legal suicide and are taking me for the ride! Rejoice in your proven MAJORITY this morning, I am waiting for the coronation memo from Hummel/Bradford and taking bets on what happens first...A visit to PHX or signing Seheam up for round two.

Solution for the Easties....Accept what you signed up for and stop blaming ALPA for all your bad decisions.

 

[JECKEL]

US Air Plans To Take Over American

By Roland Jones
US Airways is reportedly in talks with creditors for American Airlines about a possible merger -- a deal that would reduce the number of major big national airlines to just three.
According to published reports and industry analysts, US Airways has put forward plans to take over American, which is in the process of restructuring its operations through bankruptcy.
The goal, according to a Bloomberg report, is to complete a deal before American’s parent company AMR exits bankruptcy proceedings. AMR, which filed for bankruptcy protection in November, recently received permission to extend the filing deadline for its reorganization plan until Sept. 28 and said it plans to ask for its labor union contracts to be voided.
US Airways is likely to put forward the argument that the two airlines combined will be stronger than if they remained as separate companies, said Ray Neidl, an aerospace analyst with Maxim Group.
The airline industry has been going through a period of consolidation, with the most recent merger clinched between United Airlines and Continental Airlines, who joined forces in 2010. Delta Air Lines reached a deal to combine with Northwest Airlines in 2008.
“This isn’t a marriage made in heaven, like Northwest and Delta, or Continental and United,” Neidl said. “But US Airways is the last girl on the dance floor right now.”
US Airways CEO Doug Parker has made no secret of his desire to join with American, telling reporters this week that advisers have been hired to consider a bid. But during the current bankruptcy period American is barred from filing competing plans, such as a merger proposal.
Meanwhile US Airways is buying up Internet domain names reflecting a potential merger.
A spokesman for US Airways confirmed that company registered domain addresses that include the names of both airlines, including usairways-american.com and american-usairways.com, according to The Associated Press. US Airways stock was up 2 percent to $7.48 a share.
A merger between American and US Airways would give American an improved presence in the East, where it has been squeezed out by Delta and United, said Neidl. It would also give American a sturdier presence in the West, given US Airways’ strong presence in Phoenix, Ariz., he said.
The deal would come as the U.S. airline industry is enjoying an upswing, Neidl added.
Consolidation has been a big help, he said, and airlines have done a good job of controlling costs. They’ve also been able to tap into new revenue sources, such as charging for luggage. However, one worry for the industry going forward is the rising price of oil.

 

[Dan Roman]

Well that would end the USAPA nightmare. Although what do you want to bet some of their leadership will be making statements to the tune of "we will control the outcome!"
News flash guys, the USAPIANS will not be the majority.

 

[denny]

agree to conditions and restrictions and maybe Hummel and Bradford could get ALL of us a new contract.

Metrojet

The west already agreed to conditions and restrictions in the arbitration decision.

As to the new officers I'm afraid the time it will take to learn what a professional pilot union member/leader is supposed to be and do will take far longer than any of us have left in this career. The east understanding of seniority is to them what a squeaky toy is to a dog.

Nevertheless it is fascinating to watch to what depths grown men will prostate themselves upon the altar of delusion and paranoia just because they've always done it that way in the past.

 

[On Your Six]

I don't think the APA nor the remaining Westies would vote to keep USAPA, which means the NIC award would return, and then actual binding arbitration could take place. Then all Easties could finally act like Sully, with "integrity......"


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[On Your Six]

Don't worry, maybe the APA will take over soon

The west already agreed to conditions and restrictions in the arbitration decision.

As to the new officers I'm afraid the time it will take to learn what a professional pilot union member/leader is supposed to be and do will take far longer than any of us have left in this career. The east understanding of seniority is to them what a squeaky toy is to a dog.

Nevertheless it is fascinating to watch to what depths grown men will prostate themselves upon the altar of delusion and paranoia just because they've always done it that way in the past.

By Roland Jones
US Airways is reportedly in talks with creditors for American Airlines about a possible merger -- a deal that would reduce the number of major big national airlines to just three.
According to published reports and industry analysts, US Airways has put forward plans to take over American, which is in the process of restructuring its operations through bankruptcy.
The goal, according to a Bloomberg report, is to complete a deal before American’s parent company AMR exits bankruptcy proceedings. AMR, which filed for bankruptcy protection in November, recently received permission to extend the filing deadline for its reorganization plan until Sept. 28 and said it plans to ask for its labor union contracts to be voided.
US Airways is likely to put forward the argument that the two airlines combined will be stronger than if they remained as separate companies, said Ray Neidl, an aerospace analyst with Maxim Group.
The airline industry has been going through a period of consolidation, with the most recent merger clinched between United Airlines and Continental Airlines, who joined forces in 2010. Delta Air Lines reached a deal to combine with Northwest Airlines in 2008.
“This isn’t a marriage made in heaven, like Northwest and Delta, or Continental and United,” Neidl said. “But US Airways is the last girl on the dance floor right now.”
US Airways CEO Doug Parker has made no secret of his desire to join with American, telling reporters this week that advisers have been hired to consider a bid. But during the current bankruptcy period American is barred from filing competing plans, such as a merger proposal.
Meanwhile US Airways is buying up Internetdomain names reflecting a potential merger.
A spokesman for US Airways confirmed that company registered domainaddresses that include the names of both airlines, including usairways-american.com and american-usairways.com, according to The Associated Press. US Airways stock was up 2 percent to $7.48 a share.
A merger between American and US Airways would give American an improved presence in the East, where it has been squeezed out by Delta and United, said Neidl. It would also give American a sturdier presence in the West, given US Airways’ strong presence in Phoenix, Ariz., he said.
The deal would come as the U.S. airline industry is enjoying an upswing, Neidl added.
Consolidation has been a big help, he said, and airlines have done a good job of controlling costs. They’ve also been able to tap into new revenue sources, such as charging for luggage. However, one worry for the industry going forward is the rising price of oil.



Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[On Your Six]

Duplicate post.

 

[dirkdigler]

... now we get to have Easties, Westies, Southies, and Newbies....

 

[On Your Six]

... now we get to have Easties, Westies, Southies, and Newbies....

And soon no more USAPIANS. Integrity is important. Thanks Sully.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Bringupthebird]

If AMR and US merge, the surviving contract will be the one AMR put forward in BK. US won't allow USAPA a seat at the table. They've been proven irrelevant time and again.

 

[Grandpa +65]

I wonder if they will screw over all their employees in this merger as bad as they did with america west.