Union: Delta wants to cut pilot jobs

[General Lee]

Retirement is the only thing ANYONE should look forward to for the foreseeable future. The growth is OVER. GONE. GET IT?

Gone? We are parking a few planes for the Winter, and then bringing them back in the Spring (5 744s and some 767s). We were forcasting being 800 fat on pilots this Winter, but 150 short next Summer, which should mean something to you. Also, as someone earlier pointed out, more and more people are flying each year, and the poster stated 1 billion domestic passengers annually coming up here. Will it be done on RJs alone? You probably think so, you idiot. GET IT?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

All I ever read about is more cuts. Sooner or later I believe Delta will furlough. Watch fuel sky rocket again and Delta will have no hedges in place again. The 747-200's are gone, 757's are being parked, 747-400's are being parked, all the DC-9's except the 50's will be gone in a year or two, the old 767's will probably be parked in a few years, and no one is retiring. There are a few 777's on order and we might get a few MD-90's. I've heard a rumor that we might order some more 330's. Overall though, Delta/NWA is an already-overstaffed shrinking airline. I will be one of the pilots furloughed when it happens. I would like to be optimistic, but I decided to open my eyes and accept the fact that furlough is inevitable. The best case scenario at this point is to be recalled within 3-4 years.

Fuel prices rose dramatically because of hedge funds driving up the prices. Where are they now? A lot are GONE, BK. And, we have hedged at the lower prices, but not everyone will give you hedges at $35 a barrel (where it was at the low point). Apparently we have hedged at a lower price, and even if it goes up to $70 a barrel, we will still be at HALF what it was last July. Calm down man! Get a hold of yourself. We all knew the 742s were going away, and we also know this Fall will be slow---so they are preparing for it. Offering early outs is a GOOD thing. It will really help the NWA pilots, and your new duty rigs haven't even come into effect yet. We also have 100 less RJs now this Summer than we did last Summer. That alone will bring us profits I am sure, and smiles on a lot of mainline pilots faces. Just think of the lack of delays in the pattern, and on the ground. Gas savings right there.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

This is not about mitigating furloughs. This is about saving the company a ton of money in displacements only to have to have an AE six months later.

 

[wings421]

So can I expect my SIL to cover the entire hunting season in the ATL88B or what?

*Long Pause*

Nnnnnooooottttt.......

 

[FDJ2]

This is not about mitigating furloughs. This is about saving the company a ton of money in displacements only to have to have an AE six months later.

DING, DING, DING, DING, DING

We have a winner.:beer:

 

[Whine Lover]

All I ever read about is more cuts. Sooner or later I believe Delta will furlough. Watch fuel sky rocket again and Delta will have no hedges in place again. The 747-200's are gone, 757's are being parked, 747-400's are being parked, all the DC-9's except the 50's will be gone in a year or two, the old 767's will probably be parked in a few years, and no one is retiring. There are a few 777's on order and we might get a few MD-90's. I've heard a rumor that we might order some more 330's. Overall though, Delta/NWA is an already-overstaffed shrinking airline. I will be one of the pilots furloughed when it happens. I would like to be optimistic, but I decided to open my eyes and accept the fact that furlough is inevitable. The best case scenario at this point is to be recalled within 3-4 years.

Nice to see that some people with a sense of logic are still flying airplanes somewhere.

Good post.

YKMKR

 

[enuffalready]

The airlines are run by retards, instead of charging what a ticket costs, they determine that the best way to make a profit is to take it from the employees pockets. Problem is employees are not the federal govt, when we print money on the color copier we go to jail.
PBR

While is agree it is sickening that our government is now printing money at unprecendented levels, do you really think management sits around and says... hmmm, we can either fight unions or we can ask our IT guy to raise our fares $25 across the board....... yeah, let's fight the pilots, flight attendants, dispatchers, mechanics and gate agents just for the fun of it

 

[N2264J]

The economy is actually getting a bit better too compared to a couple months ago. Delta: We'll Be Profitable in '09

Haven't you figured out the game yet? They say things like this for Wall Street. They're desperately trying to get someone to invest in their airline stock during a depression.

Nobel prize winning economists are saying that the stimulus package, as modified by the Republican's, get's us about a third of the way across the crevasse. You conservative Delta pilots better hope that when Obama goes back to the well, there's another stimulus package to be had.

By the way, Comair employees are still getting profit sharing checks. Isn't that amazing?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

We heard this same "annual profit" crap last year and the year before, and the year before that. I will believe it when (if ever) we see it.

How are you able to hear with that "beep beep beep" of the fryer noise in the background?

My prediction is that RA and Steenland will not be able to turn an annual profit while they are in charge. The INTL routes are just killing the bottom line, but they are too dumb to care.

My prediction is that 1 year from now, you will still be living in your mom's basement, and not upgraded to burger flipper.

-They can say whatever they want (again and again,) but the proof is where the rubber meets the road, and we sure haven't seen anything good happen around this financial black hole in years!

Speaking of black holes, I think your mom was looking for you earlier this morning. Did you skip recess or something?

-Looking real sharp in that Song plane, General!

Looking real sharp in that "fry hat," ****************************** bag!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Haven't you figured out the game yet? They say things like this for Wall Street. They're desperately trying to get someone to invest in their airline stock during a depression.

Another rjdc troll and his predictions. Amazing with all those smarts that the best you could do was rj f/o. And to think, somewhere there's a job missing its rocket scientist!

Nobel prize winning economists are saying that the stimulus package, as modified by the Republican's, get's us about a third of the way across the cravass. You conservative Delta pilots better hope that when Obama goes back to the well, there's another stimulus package to be had.

In other news, nobel prize winning economists are also stating that this is your face! Don't show up for that JFK commute looking like that junior!

By the way, Comair employees are still getting profit sharing checks. Isn't that amazing?

BFD! They're also the ones on furlough!

 

[flyboyike]

BFD! They're also the ones on furlough!

No worries, you're next.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

No worries, you're next.

I understand your fear! The way comair is winding down to nothing, I'd be too.
How was that profit sharing check?

 

[PuffDriver]

Haven't you figured out the game yet? They say things like this for Wall Street. They're desperately trying to get someone to invest in their airline stock during a depression.

Nobel prize winning economists are saying that the stimulus package, as modified by the Republican's, get's us about a third of the way across the crevasse. You conservative Delta pilots better hope that when Obama goes back to the well, there's another stimulus package to be had.

By the way, Comair employees are still getting profit sharing checks. Isn't that amazing?

Yep, Delta management flaunts the insider trading regulations left and right. Same principle as ALPA holding back the careers of the regionals over the last 15 years. Both are doing a lousy job of their "intent".

How's that commute to JFK? It may be bad, but remember, it's going to get worse.

Just keep staring straight ahead in that cockpit, into the abyss.

Wait for it, wait for it....:bawling::bawling::bawling:

 

[General Lee]

How are you able to hear with that "beep beep beep" of the fryer noise in the background?


My prediction is that 1 year from now, you will still be living in your mom's basement, and not upgraded to burger flipper.


Speaking of black holes, I think your mom was looking for you earlier this morning. Did you skip recess or something?


Looking real sharp in that "fry hat," ****************************** bag!

Now that was hillarious. CRJ567--"McFry" as I call him, likes to try to stir the pot, but never has his facts straight. There could be many causes for this, including the fact that he actually steals used urinal cakes and dips them in ranch sauce back home in his Mom's basement. I fear he never will upgrade to burger flipper.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Haven't you figured out the game yet? They say things like this for Wall Street. They're desperately trying to get someone to invest in their airline stock during a depression.

Nobel prize winning economists are saying that the stimulus package, as modified by the Republican's, get's us about a third of the way across the crevasse. You conservative Delta pilots better hope that when Obama goes back to the well, there's another stimulus package to be had.

By the way, Comair employees are still getting profit sharing checks. Isn't that amazing?

Sure, management types do say some things in the Media to help their stocks a bit, but if they get it wrong too often, the SEC gets involved. If they are way off and get their large bonuses while everyone else get "the shaft", then people like the deposed Eliott Spitzer get involved. A lot of that stuff is "fairly accurate", unless huge events dictate otherwise, and I guess Swine Flu could be an excuse, but we don't fly to a lot of Mexican cities, and it was short lived. So, how is that commute to JFK going?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

If U raise your fares by $25, a lot of different things can happen. Two of them are your gross profit may decrease, and your net profit may decrease.

Companies try and price their products to make the maximum net profit, and raising their prices may improve their bottom line, or may make it worse.

cliff
NBO

 

[Superpilot92]

This is not about mitigating furloughs. This is about saving the company a ton of money in displacements only to have to have an AE six months later.

Now now now, You may confuse people by posting stuff like that. Flightinfo is only meant for fear mongering and end of the world discussions.

 

[Networ-King]

What's really funny is that my post was TIC before your's was, which could have also been TIC but probably not cause you're an idiot. Your company has already targeted about 300 of your pilots, and we haven't seen any threatened yet at mine. Enjoy PHL at 3am.

Bye Bye--General Lee

YYYAAAWWWWNNNN!!!!!!!!

PHL, RFD, LBB and on and on and on... you're like a broken f&^king record. Don't worry about brown town toolboy, they want concessions like any other company and they spew the same crap as Delta and other airlines. Worry about keeping the roof from caving in at "your" airine. HHHMM.... I might save an IPAer's job and take a leave and accept recall bact to "your" airline and burn through some of that delta cash for a few years. Thanks for the idea general.

Net

ps I'll say hi to all the rampers in PHL, RFD, and SDF for ya at 3am......and I'll tell all the SWA guys to say hi to their rampers in LBB for ya also......


seriously.... good luck to you NWA/DAL guys and gals, but you need to get the f&^king knob cheerleader off your team....

 

[satpak77]

Don't tell Johnie Cochran that, he is too busy trying to figure out who the next Supreme Court Justice will be....


Bye Bye--General Lee

General that guy died years ago

 

[General Lee]

General that guy died years ago

I know that, if you go back several pages in this thread we discussed that. It was a joke---someone trying to be like Johnnie Cochran.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

YYYAAAWWWWNNNN!!!!!!!!

PHL, RFD, LBB and on and on and on... you're like a broken f&^king record. Don't worry about brown town toolboy, they want concessions like any other company and they spew the same crap as Delta and other airlines. Worry about keeping the roof from caving in at "your" airine. HHHMM.... I might save an IPAer's job and take a leave and accept recall bact to "your" airline and burn through some of that delta cash for a few years. Thanks for the idea general.

Net

ps I'll say hi to all the rampers in PHL, RFD, and SDF for ya at 3am......and I'll tell all the SWA guys to say hi to their rampers in LBB for ya also......


seriously.... good luck to you NWA/DAL guys and gals, but you need to get the f&^king knob cheerleader off your team....

Getting tired of the 3am ONT flying, eh? Great, come on back to DL and you'll only do a couple allnighters a month. Great plan Stan, it may work out for you.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[flyboyike]

I understand your fear! The way comair is winding down to nothing, I'd be too.
How was that profit sharing check?

I paid my car payment with it, so not bad.

 

[PuffDriver]

I paid my car payment with it, so not bad.

If you are getting profit sharing as a Comair pilot, then that is coming out of the pockets of Delta pilots. That WILL stop.

If we are all making money I don't have a problem sharing the wealth. If Delta pilots are not getting profit sharing, connection pilots are not either.

Does somebody want to bring this up on the DALPA board? Might bear investigating.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Puff, all I have to say is FFD, and a guaranteed margin. Regional's love it. It is where our mainline paychecks went.

 

[N2264J]

Sure, management types do say some things in the Media to help their stocks a bit, but if they get it wrong too often, the SEC gets involved.

So let me get this straight - Delta posts a $700 million dollar loss at the same time Comair pays out 3.7% profit sharing and you're prepared to believe anything management tells you about FY09 profitability.

Am I getting that right?

 

[N2264J]

If you are getting profit sharing as a Comair pilot, then that is coming out of the pockets of Delta pilots. That WILL stop.

What are you going to do, merge us?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I know that, if you go back several pages in this thread we discussed that. It was a joke---someone trying to be like Johnnie Cochran.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

In my defense, I rhymed nothing.

 

[General Lee]

So let me get this straight - Delta posts a $700 million dollar loss at the same time Comair pays out 3.7% profit sharing and you're prepared to believe anything management tells you about FY09 profitability.

Am I getting that right?

How long will that profit sharing last buying JFK hotel rooms for early morning shows?

We all knew Q1 was going to suck, and it was "as advertised." Q2 will be better, and the rest of the year will be a lot better.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BrickTop]

The only savior I see to keeping Major jobs alive is pay cuts and scope relief. Its just a matter of time before MGMT pushed hard enough on the open wounds of "reductions" to make us squeal. Not what I had planned for ten years in the business. But seems its the way it will go.

 

[Superpilot92]

The only savior I see to keeping Major jobs alive is pay cuts and scope relief. Its just a matter of time before MGMT pushed hard enough on the open wounds of "reductions" to make us squeal. Not what I had planned for ten years in the business. But seems its the way it will go.

Umm no

Besides, if you actually look at the upcoming retirements you will see that hiring will happen and in large numbers. Its going to be slow to start but its coming, you just have to look past your nose.