Union: Delta wants to cut pilot jobs

[Superpilot92]

This is exactly what is up. They don't need guys this summer, but don't want the training churn associated with furloughing then recalling next summer. What they do is figure out what it would cost to furlough a guy then offer under that amount of money for the old guys to leave. Then next summer they will hire 300-500 guys that are on first year pay reducing the overall cost of the group. It's called the juniority effect and it can save alot of money if managed right. The only reason why they are doing it is because it saves them money, they aren't doing it to be nice to the old guys.

Yup .

 

[Superpilot92]

Don't confuse them with the truth, Super, FI will lock up.

Sorry, my apologies

 

[Whine Lover]

WOW. Slashing jobs after the merger.

Man, nobody saw that one coming.


YKYAAFI

 

[PBRstreetgang]

The airlines are run by retards, instead of charging what a ticket costs, they determine that the best way to make a profit is to take it from the employees pockets. Problem is employees are not the federal govt, when we print money on the color copier we go to jail.
PBR

 

[BrickTop]

And if we had a good enough economy, every airline would have 13,000 pilots. Right?

This was called when the ink was still wet on the merger docs. Nothing new under the sun.

TC

You (We) will NEVER see those numbers again. NEVER. Those days are gone. We will be lucky even to replace those lost jobs with RJ's. Personally I don't ever see the number of pilots in the industry we had in the late 90's. The good days are behind most of us and those looking for them ahead will be waiting many many years.

 

[jmreii]

You (We) will NEVER see those numbers again. NEVER. Those days are gone. We will be lucky even to replace those lost jobs with RJ's. Personally I don't ever see the number of pilots in the industry we had in the late 90's. The good days are behind most of us and those looking for them ahead will be waiting many many years.

I agree with you on this statement and I will add to it. Pilots should not act like this is their first time. If you didn't know, welcome to the business world boys and girls, now quickly take your seats for the two hour lecture followed by a quiz with 90 percent is passing.

 

[dispatchguy]

The airlines are run by retards, instead of charging what a ticket costs, they determine that the best way to make a profit is to take it from the employees pockets.

Truer words have not been spoken

 

[Secret Squirrel]

It's the economy, not the merger.... :erm:

That is how the company is going to get around your brand new no furlough language so i would not be so quick to scream that out loud.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

And we are the ones that agree to it!

 

[anewunion]

This is the best thing to happen to the DAL pilot group. It's good business. Everyone wins. We all knew this was going to happen, this is best outcome we could ask for.

 

[crj567]

The airlines are run by retards, instead of charging what a ticket costs, they determine that the best way to make a profit is to take it from the employees pockets. Problem is employees are not the federal govt, when we print money on the color copier we go to jail.
PBR

ABSOLUTELY!

The airlines provide their service at a loss and are expected to do so for the forseeable future! What a mess!!

The bigger issue at hand is now we have a bunch of airlines which are "too big to fail." They routinely enter bankruptcy, get half their debts discharged and then can lower their prices even more.... This, of course, cripples the remaining airlines.

 

[Poahi]

You can't be serious.

I was poking fun at all the Delta cheerleaders who were saying for months that the international flying was going to bail them out. That Kool-Aid is no longer for sale.

 

[JoeMerchant]

And we are the ones that agree to it!

ACL65Pilot...I thought there were going to be thousands hired at Delta the next few years....were you wrong?

 

[twepilot]

maybe that fed I had on my JS was right.

RV

 

[CFI2766]

So, what's the status of the flow through agreements with the existing DCI carriers?

Will there be enough seats at the DCI carriers to protect the Delta guys from furlough?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ACL65Pilot...I thought there were going to be thousands hired at Delta the next few years....were you wrong?

No. Just wait. This is to reduce training costs. Not to mitigate furloughs. Like I said we are 800 fat this winter and even to slightly under staffed next summer.

I gave you the retirement numbers over the next 30 years. We are going to hire and a lot. What they are doing now is paying the money they would in training costs to pilot to get em out. Make sense, so just relax little bit.

Look past the end of the recession.

 

[General Lee]

That is how the company is going to get around your brand new no furlough language so i would not be so quick to scream that out loud.

Nobody has said the "F" word at DL yet. They are looking to offer early outs. Re-read the article.

And, if they do furlough, they have to remove 6 seats from EVERY 76 seat RJ (non-force mejeurable, plus "the economy" cannot be used for forced-manure anyway), and flow down to Compass. Both of those two things are expensive. Also, with the 300 senior ANC based pilots being displaced from ANC off of the Cargo 742s, it would be cheaper to offer early outs than to displace thousands beneath them. Removing a senior aircraft (742) can cause expensive ripples downward. If this had happened AFTER SOC, training costs would have been a lot worse, since all fleets would have been affected. They could also offer buyouts, and then offer advanced entitlements after that, instead of displacements, which would cause moving expenses, meaning more expensive again.

So, combine taking out 6 seats from EVERY 76 seat RJ, and the Compass flow down, and a Furlough would be very expensive.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

ABSOLUTELY!

The airlines provide their service at a loss and are expected to do so for the forseeable future! What a mess!!

The bigger issue at hand is now we have a bunch of airlines which are "too big to fail." They routinely enter bankruptcy, get half their debts discharged and then can lower their prices even more.... This, of course, cripples the remaining airlines.

Thank gawd for you McRonalds is doing well during this recession. You are trying to jump on a bandwagon you created here by thinking DL may be failing somehow. We have more cash than anyone else. We are better positioned than any other legacy. We are offering buyouts because they know a large displacement due to parking 742s would cost more than offering people to leave. Instead of trying to make other people worry, try going back to making fries and then worrying about your RJ job that may go away a lot sooner than mainline jobs.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

ACL65Pilot...I thought there were going to be thousands hired at Delta the next few years....were you wrong?

We are still going to be short (150 short) for next Summer supposedly, and if we get rid of more now, wouldn't that mean we would need even more next Summer? We'll see.......

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

same topic---different article

Delta may offer retirement deal to cut pilot staffing


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Friday, May 08, 2009 Kelly Yamangouchi

Delta Air Lines has proposed to cut pilot staffing by offering incentives for pilot retirements, according to a Delta pilots union memo.
Delta management proposed the retirement incentive program to the Air Line Pilots Association at Delta to address “what management perceives to be a pilot staffing overage,” according to the Friday memo. The union discussed the proposal at a meeting in New Orleans on Thursday.


Under the terms of the proposal, pilots who are eligible would get a severance payment, retiree travel benefits and medical and dental benefits for a limited period of time. Eligibility would depend on age and length of service.
The union plans to negotiate with the company on the proposal and should they reach an agreement, it would still be subject to approval by the union’s leadership. Eligible pilots would then have the option of taking the retirement offer.
Delta pilots were not eligible to participate in company’s buyouts this year and last year, which Delta used to cut about 6,500 employees throughout other parts of the company. Those buyouts included voluntary severance and early retirement programs.
Delta has about 12,000 pilots, including those from merger partner Northwest. Delta closed its deal to acquire Northwest last year.




Bye Bye--General Lee