Union: Delta wants to cut pilot jobs

[Scope out RJ's]

And to add another bit of info. We are still having retirements and with any luck some early outs. My seniority # for May is what was projected for Jan 2012. This will be a good place to hang your hat. Will we furlough now? Who knows, but at least the company and union are trying to do something. So, my advice to the newer regional pilots is to take the Joe Merchant, crj 567 types with a grain of salt. We all know the type. Guys like them were there when we were. They knew everything and just knew that the mainlines would never hire again and never win contract improvements. Always pointing out that they had friends furloughed(hired at a major prior to Gulf war 1) that would have been "senior" gettin' weekends off and flying the best saab, atr, brazilla, lines. Holding court in the crew room like some kind of "king of the dip********************s". Some easily influenced, new to the industry guys/gals believed their BS. Most of us just laughed them off as "angry, bitter, jealous lifers". Lo and behold, a year or two later the hiring started and those that kept their ear to the ground and kept sending those resumes every 6 months or so got the call. These guys missed the boat in the hiring boom of the late 90s and can't stand the fact that their former fo's are now capts or mid level widebody fo's at a major. Now, even when the hiring began again in 2007 and even more of their former fo's got hired and they didn't, they are even more bitter. Even if they could get hired now they won't apply because their ego won't allow them to go to the bottom and swing gear for someone who got lucky(in their words)"daddy was a pilot, female, other minority etc.)

Let's not forget that guys like JoeMerchant are synonymous with the same people that crossed the picket lines during the Eastern strike.

 

[General Lee]

Well, I hate to disagree with you, GL, but.....

If they furlough back to TK, they have to take seats out of all the "super-premium" RJs.

If they furlough up to but not including TK, they only have to take seats out of the "super-premium" RJs that Moak & Co. let them have a few months ago.

That's the way I read it anyway. For sure, it's a minor point overall, but one that all of us sub-TK (myself included) are quite aware of....

My point is that the sharp and pointy teeth of the no-furlough clause are far less sharp and far less pointy when you get below TK on the combined list.

That's the way YOU read it? I think you are wrong. Moak would not have agreed to the deal if it was not retro-acvtive for everyone. It didn't say "after SOC" on it. It stated that EVERY pilot was NOW "protected." And, it is not a "minor point" overall. It would be expensive for DL to do, no doubt. Thanks Johnie Cochran.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PuffDriver]

part 2 of the recession is on deck.....as the value of the dollar plummits while obama fires up the printing press....oil will start back up....combined with double digit inflation...things will get worse....

yawn!!!!!!!!!

 

[General Lee]

You may be right on the how many AC seats must be pulled, although I thought it was all of them. TK is no longer the dotted line though. TK (as well as several 2007 hires) is senior to the junior most NWA 2001 hire. This is where the dotted line was drawn prior to the most recent LOA. Again, not sure which AC the most recent LOA included--thought it was all of them.

As far as shiatzu rolling downhill from the 742 which is extremely senior, the bottom of the hill is the last FO at Compass which results in more training cycles and the flushing of an entire list. Couple this with furlough pay and pulling seats out of RJs, dishing out retirement incentives is likely less $$$.......EXCEPT.......IF DALPA CAVES ON SCOPE!!! Let's hope this doesn't happen.

Also, it would really set folks off if Delta is wildly profitable for the next 3 quarters and for the year while furloughing. I don't see furloughs happening given the future profit/loss guidance as this alone would poison labor relations which have been somewhat on the mend. I'm hoping RA and Co. see some value in a motivated work force.

Schwanker

Don't tell Johnie Cochran that, he is too busy trying to figure out who the next Supreme Court Justice will be....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Networ-King]

Don't tell Johnie Cochran that, he is too busy trying to figure out who the next Supreme Court Justice will be....


Bye Bye--General Lee

No general he won't be figuring out anything ....you're wrong AGAIN... when will you learn? Hahahaha....tool....




Famed attorney Johnnie Cochran dead

From Lenny Bruce, to Michael Jackson, to O.J. Simpson

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 Posted: 12:18 PM EST (1718 GMT)


LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Famed attorney Johnnie Cochran, perhaps best known for his successful defense of O.J. Simpson, died Tuesday afternoon after suffering from an inoperable brain tumor, his family said. He was 67.
"Johnnie Cochran was a loving, heartful human being who cared about everybody," said William Epps, pastor of the Second Baptist Church in Los Angeles, which Cochran attended for 18 years.
Cochran died at 12:30 p.m. PT (3:30 p.m. ET) at his home in Los Angeles. His family was by his side and he had been in a hospice, Epps said.
Cochran's family and members of his law firm issued a joint statement saying the "world has lost not only a legendary attorney, but an outstanding humanitarian."
"Johnnie's career will be noted as one marked by celebrity cases and clientele. But he and his family were most proud of the work he did on behalf of those in the community," the statement said.
"As Johnnie always said, 'An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.' It was his rallying cry as he worked to right many wrongs, and as he provided a voice to those who needed to be heard. He was deeply committed to helping and inspiring others, especially young people."
'If it doesn't fit, you must acquit'

Simpson told CNN: "I loved him as a good Christian man. I look at Johnny as a great Christian. I knew him as that. He was a great guy."
Simpson said he last saw Cochran at a Los Angeles Lakers basketball game a few months ago and found the flamboyant lawyer to be in good spirits. "We were praying for him then, and I still am," Simpson said.
Simpson added that he knew Cochran long before he hired the African-American lawyer to lead his "Dream Team" defense. "I was in social circles with Johnnie, and we knew each other in that way," he said.
Cochran was the lead attorney for Simpson, accused of murder in the 1994 slayings of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her acquaintance Ron Goldman.
During Simpson's 1995 trial, Cochran famously quipped, "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit," in reminding jurors during his summation that the former star football running back couldn't fit his hands inside a bloody glove found at the scene of the killings.
The simple rhyme hammered home for jurors the defense argument that the evidence against Simpson not only failed to fit the crime, but the defendant himself.
Cochran convinced the jury that race defined the Simpson case and the police investigation against the onetime Heisman Trophy winner at the University of Southern California.
Simpson was acquitted in the criminal case, but he was later found liable in a civil trial and order to pay the victims' families $33 million.
Comedian Lenny Bruce

Johnnie L. Cochran Jr. was born in Shreveport, Louisiana, on October 2, 1937, the great-grandson of a slave, and grew up in a prosperous family.
He was raised in Los Angeles and attended UCLA, supporting himself by selling insurance policies for his father's company. He graduated in 1959 and earned his law degree from Loyola Marymount University in 1963.
He passed the California bar in 1963, then took a job in Los Angeles as a deputy city attorney in the criminal division.
His career was intertwined with celebrities almost from its beginning: Among his early cases was a 1964 effort to prosecute comedian Lenny Bruce on obscenity charges.
In 1965, he entered private practice and soon opened his own firm, Cochran, Atkins & Evans. His current practice, The Cochran Firm, was established in 1981 and has offices in 12 states and the District of Columbia.
He made his name with a series of high-profile police brutality and criminal cases in the late 1970s and worked as a Los Angeles County deputy district attorney in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
He negotiated a 1993 settlement in a civil lawsuit against pop star Michael Jackson that accused him of child molestation -- a case that has resurfaced in Jackson's current criminal trial on other child molestation charges.
And he represented Reginald Denny, the white truck driver beaten by a black mob at the height of the Los Angeles riots in 1992.
Cochran argued that the city's police department was guilty of discrimination for failing to protect the neighborhood where Denny was assaulted.
In another high-profile case, Cochran represented Abner Louima, the Haitian immigrant sodomized with a broken broomstick by two New York City policemen.
And although his 1972 defense of former Black Panther Party member Elmer "Geronimo" Pratt for murder charges wound up in defeat, Cochran's perseverance eventually led to the reversal of that conviction -- and his client's release -- 25 years later.
The names went on and on: rap singer Sean "Puffy" Combs, on trial for weapons and bribery charges; Rosa Parks, in the lawsuit launched against OutKast and their label, LaFace Records.
But it was the Simpson trial that defined him.
In his 2002 book, "A Lawyer's Life," Cochran wrote that the case "gave me the platform to try to change some of those things that need to be changed in this country."
"It was the Simpson case that put me squarely in a position to make a difference. And that was precisely the reason I became an attorney," he wrote.
Cochran's flamboyancy inspired parodies -- among them the Jackie Chiles character on "Seinfeld," who unsuccessfully defended the show's gang in the series finale, and sketches on "Saturday Night Live."
"At times, it was a lot of fun," Cochran wrote of the "Seinfeld" spoof. "And I knew that accepting it good-naturedly, even participating in it, helped soothe some of the angry feelings from the Simpson case."

 

[FDJ2]

The Settlement Agreement provides that:​

1. The Company will agree to the Association’s interpretation of

1. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Section 1 B. 40. d. [/FONT][/FONT]and [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]e. [/FONT][/FONT]but provides a one-time exception to this interpretation allowing the Company to operate up to 153* 76-seat jets so long as the Company does not furlough [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]any [/FONT][/FONT]pilot on the integrated system seniority list as of February 9, 2009, the date the agreement was signed. With agreement on the interpretation of [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Section 1 B. 40. d. [/FONT][/FONT]and [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]e, [/FONT][/FONT]any further increase above 153 76-seat jets will require substantial mainline fleet growth. For example, for the Company to add a 154th 76-seat jet, the mainline would have to be comprised of 768 mainline jets. Today the mainline fleet consists of 753 aircraft.
2. If the Company does furlough any pilot on the Integrated System Seniority List, then the Company will physically remove six passenger seats from the number of 76-seat jets (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) that exceeds the authorized number of 76-seat jets under the Association’s interpretation of [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Section 1 B. 40. d. [/FONT][/FONT]and [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]e.[/FONT][/FONT]
3. While the Company will have 90 days from the first furlough to physically remove the seats, such seats will become immediately unusable for [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]any [/FONT][/FONT]purpose upon the furlough of the very first pilot on the list.

It’s important to understand that the agreement is a settlement over an issue of scope language [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]interpretation [/FONT][/FONT]and [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]not [/FONT][/FONT]an issue of "scope relief." Scope language is intended to protect pilot jobs. This agreement enhances job protections for Delta pilots. There has been no change to the scope language in our contract, and this settlement will [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]not [/FONT][/FONT]increase the number of regional jet hulls; it simply codifies the number of seats that will be allowed in up to 26 of those aircraft. It allows up to a total of 156 seats throughout the system (26 aircraft x 6 seats per airplane = 156) in exchange for furlough protections for hundreds of Delta pilots and their families and definitive agreement on the contractual language moving forward. Further, this agreement does not increase the ceiling on the total number of 70-seat/76-seat jets permitted by Section 1 B. 40. That number remains at 255, and with 153 76-seat jets, the total of 70/76-seat jets will be 224 while the overall number of all regional jets has decreased substantially over the past year.

 

[General Lee]

No general he won't be figuring out anything ....you're wrong AGAIN... when will you learn? Hahahaha....tool....




Famed attorney Johnnie Cochran dead

From Lenny Bruce, to Michael Jackson, to O.J. Simpson

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 Posted: 12:18 PM EST (1718 GMT)


LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Famed attorney Johnnie Cochran, perhaps best known for his successful defense of O.J. Simpson, died Tuesday afternoon after suffering from an inoperable brain tumor, his family said. He was 67.
"Johnnie Cochran was a loving, heartful human being who cared about everybody," said William Epps, pastor of the Second Baptist Church in Los Angeles, which Cochran attended for 18 years.
Cochran died at 12:30 p.m. PT (3:30 p.m. ET) at his home in Los Angeles. His family was by his side and he had been in a hospice, Epps said.
Cochran's family and members of his law firm issued a joint statement saying the "world has lost not only a legendary attorney, but an outstanding humanitarian."
"Johnnie's career will be noted as one marked by celebrity cases and clientele. But he and his family were most proud of the work he did on behalf of those in the community," the statement said.
"As Johnnie always said, 'An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.' It was his rallying cry as he worked to right many wrongs, and as he provided a voice to those who needed to be heard. He was deeply committed to helping and inspiring others, especially young people."
'If it doesn't fit, you must acquit'

Simpson told CNN: "I loved him as a good Christian man. I look at Johnny as a great Christian. I knew him as that. He was a great guy."
Simpson said he last saw Cochran at a Los Angeles Lakers basketball game a few months ago and found the flamboyant lawyer to be in good spirits. "We were praying for him then, and I still am," Simpson said.
Simpson added that he knew Cochran long before he hired the African-American lawyer to lead his "Dream Team" defense. "I was in social circles with Johnnie, and we knew each other in that way," he said.
Cochran was the lead attorney for Simpson, accused of murder in the 1994 slayings of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her acquaintance Ron Goldman.
During Simpson's 1995 trial, Cochran famously quipped, "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit," in reminding jurors during his summation that the former star football running back couldn't fit his hands inside a bloody glove found at the scene of the killings.
The simple rhyme hammered home for jurors the defense argument that the evidence against Simpson not only failed to fit the crime, but the defendant himself.
Cochran convinced the jury that race defined the Simpson case and the police investigation against the onetime Heisman Trophy winner at the University of Southern California.
Simpson was acquitted in the criminal case, but he was later found liable in a civil trial and order to pay the victims' families $33 million.
Comedian Lenny Bruce

Johnnie L. Cochran Jr. was born in Shreveport, Louisiana, on October 2, 1937, the great-grandson of a slave, and grew up in a prosperous family.
He was raised in Los Angeles and attended UCLA, supporting himself by selling insurance policies for his father's company. He graduated in 1959 and earned his law degree from Loyola Marymount University in 1963.
He passed the California bar in 1963, then took a job in Los Angeles as a deputy city attorney in the criminal division.
His career was intertwined with celebrities almost from its beginning: Among his early cases was a 1964 effort to prosecute comedian Lenny Bruce on obscenity charges.
In 1965, he entered private practice and soon opened his own firm, Cochran, Atkins & Evans. His current practice, The Cochran Firm, was established in 1981 and has offices in 12 states and the District of Columbia.
He made his name with a series of high-profile police brutality and criminal cases in the late 1970s and worked as a Los Angeles County deputy district attorney in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
He negotiated a 1993 settlement in a civil lawsuit against pop star Michael Jackson that accused him of child molestation -- a case that has resurfaced in Jackson's current criminal trial on other child molestation charges.
And he represented Reginald Denny, the white truck driver beaten by a black mob at the height of the Los Angeles riots in 1992.
Cochran argued that the city's police department was guilty of discrimination for failing to protect the neighborhood where Denny was assaulted.
In another high-profile case, Cochran represented Abner Louima, the Haitian immigrant sodomized with a broken broomstick by two New York City policemen.
And although his 1972 defense of former Black Panther Party member Elmer "Geronimo" Pratt for murder charges wound up in defeat, Cochran's perseverance eventually led to the reversal of that conviction -- and his client's release -- 25 years later.
The names went on and on: rap singer Sean "Puffy" Combs, on trial for weapons and bribery charges; Rosa Parks, in the lawsuit launched against OutKast and their label, LaFace Records.
But it was the Simpson trial that defined him.
In his 2002 book, "A Lawyer's Life," Cochran wrote that the case "gave me the platform to try to change some of those things that need to be changed in this country."
"It was the Simpson case that put me squarely in a position to make a difference. And that was precisely the reason I became an attorney," he wrote.
Cochran's flamboyancy inspired parodies -- among them the Jackie Chiles character on "Seinfeld," who unsuccessfully defended the show's gang in the series finale, and sketches on "Saturday Night Live."
"At times, it was a lot of fun," Cochran wrote of the "Seinfeld" spoof. "And I knew that accepting it good-naturedly, even participating in it, helped soothe some of the angry feelings from the Simpson case."

Why do you think I stated he was Johnnie Cochran? BECAUSE he was dead. I actually met him in the ATL airport. He was at a concourse store trying to buy something, and people started saying "Wow, you saved OJ." He seemed to like the fame. He looked at me and I asked "Are you next? I want to buy a candy bar."

YOU WILL NEVER LEARN. Enjoy Rockford late at night.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Scope out RJ's]

No general he won't be figuring out anything ....you're wrong AGAIN... when will you learn? Hahahaha....tool....




Famed attorney Johnnie Cochran dead

From Lenny Bruce, to Michael Jackson, to O.J. Simpson

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 Posted: 12:18 PM EST (1718 GMT)


LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Famed attorney Johnnie Cochran, perhaps best known for his successful defense of O.J. Simpson, died Tuesday afternoon after suffering from an inoperable brain tumor, his family said. He was 67.
"Johnnie Cochran was a loving, heartful human being who cared about everybody," said William Epps, pastor of the Second Baptist Church in Los Angeles, which Cochran attended for 18 years.
Cochran died at 12:30 p.m. PT (3:30 p.m. ET) at his home in Los Angeles. His family was by his side and he had been in a hospice, Epps said.
Cochran's family and members of his law firm issued a joint statement saying the "world has lost not only a legendary attorney, but an outstanding humanitarian."
"Johnnie's career will be noted as one marked by celebrity cases and clientele. But he and his family were most proud of the work he did on behalf of those in the community," the statement said.
"As Johnnie always said, 'An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.' It was his rallying cry as he worked to right many wrongs, and as he provided a voice to those who needed to be heard. He was deeply committed to helping and inspiring others, especially young people."
'If it doesn't fit, you must acquit'

Simpson told CNN: "I loved him as a good Christian man. I look at Johnny as a great Christian. I knew him as that. He was a great guy."
Simpson said he last saw Cochran at a Los Angeles Lakers basketball game a few months ago and found the flamboyant lawyer to be in good spirits. "We were praying for him then, and I still am," Simpson said.
Simpson added that he knew Cochran long before he hired the African-American lawyer to lead his "Dream Team" defense. "I was in social circles with Johnnie, and we knew each other in that way," he said.
Cochran was the lead attorney for Simpson, accused of murder in the 1994 slayings of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her acquaintance Ron Goldman.
During Simpson's 1995 trial, Cochran famously quipped, "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit," in reminding jurors during his summation that the former star football running back couldn't fit his hands inside a bloody glove found at the scene of the killings.
The simple rhyme hammered home for jurors the defense argument that the evidence against Simpson not only failed to fit the crime, but the defendant himself.
Cochran convinced the jury that race defined the Simpson case and the police investigation against the onetime Heisman Trophy winner at the University of Southern California.
Simpson was acquitted in the criminal case, but he was later found liable in a civil trial and order to pay the victims' families $33 million.
Comedian Lenny Bruce

Johnnie L. Cochran Jr. was born in Shreveport, Louisiana, on October 2, 1937, the great-grandson of a slave, and grew up in a prosperous family.
He was raised in Los Angeles and attended UCLA, supporting himself by selling insurance policies for his father's company. He graduated in 1959 and earned his law degree from Loyola Marymount University in 1963.
He passed the California bar in 1963, then took a job in Los Angeles as a deputy city attorney in the criminal division.
His career was intertwined with celebrities almost from its beginning: Among his early cases was a 1964 effort to prosecute comedian Lenny Bruce on obscenity charges.
In 1965, he entered private practice and soon opened his own firm, Cochran, Atkins & Evans. His current practice, The Cochran Firm, was established in 1981 and has offices in 12 states and the District of Columbia.
He made his name with a series of high-profile police brutality and criminal cases in the late 1970s and worked as a Los Angeles County deputy district attorney in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
He negotiated a 1993 settlement in a civil lawsuit against pop star Michael Jackson that accused him of child molestation -- a case that has resurfaced in Jackson's current criminal trial on other child molestation charges.
And he represented Reginald Denny, the white truck driver beaten by a black mob at the height of the Los Angeles riots in 1992.
Cochran argued that the city's police department was guilty of discrimination for failing to protect the neighborhood where Denny was assaulted.
In another high-profile case, Cochran represented Abner Louima, the Haitian immigrant sodomized with a broken broomstick by two New York City policemen.
And although his 1972 defense of former Black Panther Party member Elmer "Geronimo" Pratt for murder charges wound up in defeat, Cochran's perseverance eventually led to the reversal of that conviction -- and his client's release -- 25 years later.
The names went on and on: rap singer Sean "Puffy" Combs, on trial for weapons and bribery charges; Rosa Parks, in the lawsuit launched against OutKast and their label, LaFace Records.
But it was the Simpson trial that defined him.
In his 2002 book, "A Lawyer's Life," Cochran wrote that the case "gave me the platform to try to change some of those things that need to be changed in this country."
"It was the Simpson case that put me squarely in a position to make a difference. And that was precisely the reason I became an attorney," he wrote.
Cochran's flamboyancy inspired parodies -- among them the Jackie Chiles character on "Seinfeld," who unsuccessfully defended the show's gang in the series finale, and sketches on "Saturday Night Live."
"At times, it was a lot of fun," Cochran wrote of the "Seinfeld" spoof. "And I knew that accepting it good-naturedly, even participating in it, helped soothe some of the angry feelings from the Simpson case."

I know you like giving him a hard time, but I'm pretty sure his quote was TIC!

 

[Linedriver]

Anyone care to speculate on how many Delta would like to take the early out?

 

[JimmyKool]

Sorry guys, reliable source from the old school fourth floor told me continuous cuts throughout '09. 1800ish or more gone. Hope this changes bc its a sign of the overall industry for the next couple years or more.