UAX Letter to UAL Pilots over jumpseat dispute.

[Fred Rogers]

United actually tried to force us (Mesa) to give their pilots (UAL Mainline) priority over our own pilots on Mesa planes. We respectfully declined and we were subsequently re prioritized as "L" (Luggage). Some other airlines played but Mesa didn’t. They started this crap so let the fun begin.

Same thing happened at Colgan

 

[PCL_128]

But the gate agent owns the jumpseat pass and owns the door to the jetway.

There's a simple solution to this problem: "this airplane isn't moving until the proper jumpseater is onboard. I can sit here all day. What's it going to be?" Gate agent will back down every time.

 

[PCL_128]

Airtran doesn't even let us ID-90/ZED on them. Why don't we talk about that?

Which airline do you work for? We have pass agreements with many airlines. Unfortunately, some airlines refuse to work with us on reciprocal pass privileges. For instance, DAL refuses to offer us domestic pass benefits because we're the "competition." Their employees suffer as a result, but DAL management doesn't seem to care. If pass benefits aren't available, you can bet it's because your carrier won't allow it, not the other way around.

 

[Fred Rogers]

There's a simple solution to this problem: "this airplane isn't moving until the proper jumpseater is onboard. I can sit here all day. What's it going to be?" Gate agent will back down every time.

And your phone melts from messages from the Chief Pilot. PCL, you really need to pull your head out of your @$$. I don't mean to put you down because I hate the whining on here but seriously man. You don't even have a dog in the fight but you continue to cheer for old school ALPA. Does it occur to you that the reason no one likes ALPA is because they always cuddle with these angry old legacy carriers - screw everyone else?????


The UAX carriers should be able to dictate who has priority on the jumpseat. End of story.


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[Future Furlough]

There's a simple solution to this problem: "this airplane isn't moving until the proper jumpseater is onboard. I can sit here all day. What's it going to be?" Gate agent will back down every time.

Assuming you know there is more than one jumpseater standing at the top of the jetway. And before you spout off...no one has time to police the gate agent on a 25 minute turn.

 

[imacdog]

There's a simple solution to this problem: "this airplane isn't moving until the proper jumpseater is onboard. I can sit here all day. What's it going to be?" Gate agent will back down every time.

Would you mind explaining to all the "dumb regional pilots" how they are supposed to know that there's a jumpseater still sitting in the gate area after getting wrongly denied? You seem to have all answers, I'm sure everyone would appreciate more advise from your vast PFT knowledge.

Of course the UAL union could just ask their company to fix the computer glitch but your idea sounds so much more logical.

 

[BoilerUP]

Assuming you know there is more than one jumpseater standing at the top of the jetway. And before you spout off...no one has time to police the gate agent on a 25 minute turn.

I don't know about your airline's workload, but I would ALWAYS check the gate area following the walkaround. It takes 2 minutes, tops.

Call it habit after almost being left behind by jackass gate agents myself...

 

[PCL_128]

And your phone melts from messages from the Chief Pilot.

Are you afraid of your CP? I know that my CP would back me up if I was enforcing company policy and the gate agent was refusing to do her job properly.

 

[PCL_128]

Assuming you know there is more than one jumpseater standing at the top of the jetway. And before you spout off...no one has time to police the gate agent on a 25 minute turn.

I always did. At Pinnacle, we were having problems with Mesaba gate agents in DTW refusing NWA pilots for various reasons (ballast, "weight restricted flights," etc...). I and many other Captains started going up to the gate on every flight to check for jumpseaters to make sure that the gate agents weren't screwing over the NWA pilots. Honestly, if you don't have time during a even a 15 minute turn to run up to the gate for a second, then you need some workload management training. It doesn't take more than 5 minutes for two pilots to get an RJ ready for departure.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I always did. At Pinnacle, we were having problems with Mesaba gate agents in DTW refusing NWA pilots for various reasons (ballast, "weight restricted flights," etc...). I and many other Captains started going up to the gate on every flight to check for jumpseaters to make sure that the gate agents weren't screwing over the NWA pilots. Honestly, if you don't have time during a even a 15 minute turn to run up to the gate for a second, then you need some workload management training. It doesn't take more than 5 minutes for two pilots to get an RJ ready for departure.

Or you go to the gate, the gate agent lies to you, and the jumpseater is already gone because she chased him away. Duh!

This guy has ALL of the answers, doesn't he!!!

 

[BOX OFFICE]

And your phone melts from messages from the Chief Pilot. PCL, you really need to pull your head out of your @$$. I don't mean to put you down because I hate the whining on here but seriously man. You don't even have a dog in the fight but you continue to cheer for old school ALPA. Does it occur to you that the reason no one likes ALPA is because they always cuddle with these angry old legacy carriers - screw everyone else?????


The UAX carriers should be able to dictate who has priority on the jumpseat. End of story.

My thoughts exactly.

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And I'm still flattered! :blush:

 

[Nevets]

I'm sorry, I thought you knew that dispatchers are ALSO qualified jumpseat riders. But if you want to be belligerent with me about it, then why are you always chiming in on SkyWest matters when you don't even work for them. I don't see ExpressJet's name anywhere in this letter to the UA Pilots, which means this doesn't concern you one bit.

Sorry, I wasn't being belligerent. I wasn't speaking to your ability to jumpseat. I was speaking to your posting on matters dealing purely about pilot union matters. Anyways, I posted on here because if its a problem of one ALPA pilot, then its a problem for all ALPA pilots. But you wouldn't know about that, right?

 

[JoeMerchant]

This guy has ALL of the answers, doesn't he!!!

....yeah but the box office is setting him straight...:beer:

 

[Formula 1]

I didn't say none, I said only a handful do. Re-read my post. Sorry you had such a bad experience working at SkyWest. How many type ratings did they buy for you?

None that I am using right now, but they were free. I am sorry that you had to pay for yours.

 

[Speedtape]

....yeah but the box office is setting him straight...:beer:

Would there be an ongoing argument without PCL 128?