UAX Letter to UAL Pilots over jumpseat dispute.

[bmpilot2003]

Ah, an always great indication of maturity and intelligence: call someone "gay." Well done.

Yeah and acting like we're devils in angel suits just because Go-jets name is on the list speaks volumes about you.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Unlike regional MECs, mainline MECs work together, my friend.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Do actually believe your own BS? Would that be like the USAir/AWA MECs or the DAL/NWA MECs? Or how about the Eastern/DAL MECs? Maybe like the NWA/Republic MECs? What about AA/TWA....I know AA isn't ALPA....How about Polar/Atlas?...Oh I forgot....they aren't "mainline"....
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[PCL_128]

Yeah and acting like we're devils in angel suits just because Go-jets name is on the list speaks volumes about you.

I think it's a legitimate question. Why would you work with the GoJets committee on this when many JS committees are still refusing to even sign agreements with GoJet? Some UAL pilots are still denying GJ pilots the jumpseat. Do you think this will endear them to your cause when you list GJ as an "aggrieved" party along with you?

 

[PCL_128]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Do actually believe your own BS? Would that be like the USAir/AWA MECs or the DAL/NWA MECs? Or how about the Eastern/DAL MECs? Maybe like the NWA/Republic MECs? What about AA/TWA....I know AA isn't ALPA....How about Polar/Atlas?...Oh I forgot....they aren't "mainline"....

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Come on Joe, you know as well as I do that the mainline MECs have been able to control ALPA for decades by pooling their votes and working together. Yes, when seniority integration comes along, things can change quickly, but in general, the mainline guys know how to pool their power together.

 

[JoeMerchant]

And guess what? UAL pilots can just call up their company and get UAL to put them positive-space into the system, and your pilots won't be able to do a damned thing to stop them from getting to work. Again, who has the leverage here? Not you. The smart UAX Captains will ignore this letter and allow UAL pilots to continue jumpseating.

The UAL MEC supports this policy as it stands....Ugly little secret, but mainline pilots think they own all the seats on the regional airplanes....Delta tried the same thing with non-rev priority.....

The regional pilots are starting to stand up to the mainline pilots....Good to see.....

 

[PCL_128]

The UAL MEC supports this policy as it stands....Ugly little secret, but mainline pilots think they own all the seats on the regional airplanes....

And as for seats in the back, I would agree with them. The actual jumpseat is a different story, of course. That belongs to the Captain.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Come on Joe, you know as well as I do that the mainline MECs have been able to control ALPA for decades by pooling their votes and working together. Yes, when seniority integration comes along, things can change quickly, but in general, the mainline guys know how to pool their power together.[/quote]

You mean like the Prater/Woerth election....? Did they work together then?

 

[PCL_128]

You mean like the Prater/Woerth election....? Did they work together then?

Yes, they did. The UAL and CAL MECs pooled their votes together to make that happen. Along with votes from AAA and NWA, along came Prater.

 

[JoeMerchant]

And as for seats in the back, I would agree with them. The actual jumpseat is a different story, of course. That belongs to the Captain.

So you think mainline pilots should have non-rev boarding priority on the Express aircraft? YGTBSM!....

"Whats mine is mine....and what's yours is mine".....The new ALPA motto.....

 

[XPOO]

I think it's a legitimate question. Why would you work with the GoJets committee on this when many JS committees are still refusing to even sign agreements with GoJet? Some UAL pilots are still denying GJ pilots the jumpseat. Do you think this will endear them to your cause when you list GJ as an "aggrieved" party along with you?

It's already known that everyone on here hates my guts, but geez, you just do not stop with your agenda do you? You are seriously starting to threaten my reing as most hated poster.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yes, they did. The UAL and CAL MECs pooled their votes together to make that happen. Along with votes from AAA and NWA, along came Prater.

Many mainline votes also supported Woerth....It was very close.....

 

[PCL_128]

So you think mainline pilots should have non-rev boarding priority on the Express aircraft? YGTBSM!....

Who's code is the flight operating under? Who's airline purchases every seat on that flight?

 

[PCL_128]

Many mainline votes also supported Woerth....It was very close.....

It was a very close election, but a huge number of mainline reps went with Prater. The entire CAL and UAL MECs, many NWA reps, almost the entire AAA MEC (possibly all of them, can't remember exactly). I think DAL stuck with Duane, but not entirely sure. Lots of votes for Duane came from regional reps.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Who's code is the flight operating under? Who's airline purchases every seat on that flight?

Here in the DAL system....Delta Connection folks have priority on their own aircraft....AS IT SHOULD BE!....The DAL pilots wanted priority on all DCI flights, but the uproar from the Connection side stopped it...In fact many ASA pilots were going to start denying jumpseats if that had gone through....Some times you just gotta stand up to the mainline pilots...They don't own us....or our seats....

 

[JoeMerchant]

It was a very close election, but a huge number of mainline reps went with Prater. The entire CAL and UAL MECs, many NWA reps, almost the entire AAA MEC (possibly all of them, can't remember exactly). I think DAL stuck with Duane, but not entirely sure. Lots of votes for Duane came from regional reps.

But they didn't all work together....In fact the two biggest groups (DAL and UAL) pulled in opposite directions.....Face it PCL128......Mainline MECs only work together when they want to screw regional pilots....Otherwise they fight amongst themselves much more than the regional groups do......

 

[XPOO]

Here in the DAL system....Delta Connection folks have priority on their own aircraft....AS IT SHOULD BE!....The DAL pilots wanted priority on all DCI flights, but the uproar from the Connection side stopped it...In fact many ASA pilots were going to start denying jumpseats if that had gone through....Some times you just gotta stand up to the mainline pilots...They don't own us....or our seats....

Joe, Joe, Joe....you are supposed to be a submissive little pilot and keep saying, "Please, sir, can I have another." I know you know this already. LOL!

 

[Morning Wood]

Since I left I enjoy a 7.3% match that started day one and its managed by the pilots. I also have a company profit sharing plan too to the is really is just another 401K. I put $32,800 in saving last year. Yea, that's not worth paying 1.95% union dues for.

I didn't say none, I said only a handful do. Re-read my post. Sorry you had such a bad experience working at SkyWest. How many type ratings did they buy for you?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Yes, I would be telling them to immediately cancel all jumpseat agreements with the listed UAX carriers. Guess who has more leverage here? Going to war with the UAL MEC is the dumbest thing I've ever seen from a regional pilot group, and I've seen some pretty dumb things.

like when gulfwank hired you? Wait, you bought your job for what 20K? So they did not hire you, Huh?
gulfwank, peeknuckle, and now valuejet anyone notice a trend?
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

If you pass out that letter, prepare for war. If you hand out threatening letters, they'll go on the offense and tear you to shreds.

"UAX pilots will be left with no other choice but to deny all UAL pilots any requests for the jumpseat, regardless of aircraft tail-colors beginning 07/31/08"

Threats aren't a great way to fix problems.

I guess you are approaching this from the position you would, rolling over and sticking your butt in the air. Guess what, this isn't a threat, it is a statement of fact, fix your end of YOUR recriprocial jumpseat agreement or lose it. Nothing more, nothing less!
"tear you to shreds" OHHHH, I am really worried about that, wadda they gonna do, feed me into the CD shredder. I commute and I am not worried. If they wanna get into a poo flinging extravaganza, so be it, ball is in their court, make the effort, or find another way to work, and I will find my own way too.
PBR

 

[Nevets]

So you admit that SkyWest management is doing what every airline management team should do, and uphold the rights of their pilots? And at one heck of a savings, too. Didn't even cost the SkyWest pilot's 1.95% of their earnings and 401(k) to get it done.

So you admit that SkyWest management is doing what every airline management team should do, and uphold the rights of their pilots? And at one heck of a savings, too. Didn't even cost the SkyWest pilot's 1.95% of their earnings and 401(k) to get it done.

Yeah, its costing them more in suppressed wages. But yeah, there is one heck of a savings...for management. Anyways, what rights?