UAX Letter to UAL Pilots over jumpseat dispute.

[bmpilot2003]

And guess what? UAL pilots can just call up their company and get UAL to put them positive-space into the system, and your pilots won't be able to do a damned thing to stop them from getting to work. Again, who has the leverage here? Not you. The smart UAX Captains will ignore this letter and allow UAL pilots to continue jumpseating.

Nice try PFT.. they can't positive space them into the jumpseat. If you United wants to bump a paying pax from our flight so be it . That only hurts United not the named UAX carriers.... fee per departures

 

[PCL_128]

Nope. The smart captain will continue to allow UAL pilots to jumpseat while passing this letter out to each jumpseater.

If you pass out that letter, prepare for war. I just got off the phone with a friend of mine from UAL. His response was, shall we say, not friendly towards UAX. Most rank-and-file UAL pilots will probably support you if you go about this the right way. If you hand out threatening letters, they'll go on the offense and tear you to shreds.

Nobody was told to deny anyone the jumpseat. Sorry if you read it that way.

The letter is asking for a simple fix. It's up to UAL MEC to fix it or leave it broken.

Hope that helps.

You must not have read the letter that you plan on handing out. From the letter:

"UAX pilots will be left with no other choice but to deny all UAL pilots any requests for the jumpseat, regardless of aircraft tail-colors beginning 07/31/08"

Threats aren't a great way to fix problems.

 

[bmpilot2003]

Yes, I noticed that you're sticking together with the GoJet pilots. Very interesting.

PCL when did you figure PFT was wrong? Berfore, during, of after you decided to become an openly GAY ALPA cheerleader.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL when did you figure PFT was wrong? Berfore, during, of after you decided to become an openly GAY ALPA cheerleader.

Ah, an always great indication of maturity and intelligence: call someone "gay." Well done.

 

[bmpilot2003]

My understanding is that all of this has been handled so far between jumpseat committees, and not directly between MECs. That's a great way to start, but if things deteriorate, it's time to bring the big guns (the MEC) in to handle it. These MECs should all request a meeting with Captain Wallach (UAL MEC Chair) to discuss it directly with him. If that doesn't work, then I would suggest bringing someone in from National to mediate the dispute. Not just a committee chair, but a national officer, possibly even Prater. Before you start handing over threatening letters to a huge pilot group with tons of power within ALPA, you should exhaust every possible measure.

Your are WRONG again PFT! The jump seat commitees of all the listed airlines have been working on this for 2 years. They even had direct talks with the UAL MEC and tried to resolve issue. UAL MEC demanded that they have #1 priority on all United operated flights both jumpseating and non-rev. The problems lies with the jump seat and the UAL MEC would not budge.

 

[bmpilot2003]

Ah, an always great indication of maturity and intelligence: call someone "gay." Well done.

Yeah and acting like we're devils in angel suits just because Go-jets name is on the list speaks volumes about you.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Unlike regional MECs, mainline MECs work together, my friend.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Do actually believe your own BS? Would that be like the USAir/AWA MECs or the DAL/NWA MECs? Or how about the Eastern/DAL MECs? Maybe like the NWA/Republic MECs? What about AA/TWA....I know AA isn't ALPA....How about Polar/Atlas?...Oh I forgot....they aren't "mainline"....
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[PCL_128]

Yeah and acting like we're devils in angel suits just because Go-jets name is on the list speaks volumes about you.

I think it's a legitimate question. Why would you work with the GoJets committee on this when many JS committees are still refusing to even sign agreements with GoJet? Some UAL pilots are still denying GJ pilots the jumpseat. Do you think this will endear them to your cause when you list GJ as an "aggrieved" party along with you?

 

[PCL_128]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Do actually believe your own BS? Would that be like the USAir/AWA MECs or the DAL/NWA MECs? Or how about the Eastern/DAL MECs? Maybe like the NWA/Republic MECs? What about AA/TWA....I know AA isn't ALPA....How about Polar/Atlas?...Oh I forgot....they aren't "mainline"....

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Come on Joe, you know as well as I do that the mainline MECs have been able to control ALPA for decades by pooling their votes and working together. Yes, when seniority integration comes along, things can change quickly, but in general, the mainline guys know how to pool their power together.

 

[JoeMerchant]

And guess what? UAL pilots can just call up their company and get UAL to put them positive-space into the system, and your pilots won't be able to do a damned thing to stop them from getting to work. Again, who has the leverage here? Not you. The smart UAX Captains will ignore this letter and allow UAL pilots to continue jumpseating.

The UAL MEC supports this policy as it stands....Ugly little secret, but mainline pilots think they own all the seats on the regional airplanes....Delta tried the same thing with non-rev priority.....

The regional pilots are starting to stand up to the mainline pilots....Good to see.....

 

[PCL_128]

The UAL MEC supports this policy as it stands....Ugly little secret, but mainline pilots think they own all the seats on the regional airplanes....

And as for seats in the back, I would agree with them. The actual jumpseat is a different story, of course. That belongs to the Captain.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Come on Joe, you know as well as I do that the mainline MECs have been able to control ALPA for decades by pooling their votes and working together. Yes, when seniority integration comes along, things can change quickly, but in general, the mainline guys know how to pool their power together.[/quote]

You mean like the Prater/Woerth election....? Did they work together then?

 

[PCL_128]

You mean like the Prater/Woerth election....? Did they work together then?

Yes, they did. The UAL and CAL MECs pooled their votes together to make that happen. Along with votes from AAA and NWA, along came Prater.

 

[JoeMerchant]

And as for seats in the back, I would agree with them. The actual jumpseat is a different story, of course. That belongs to the Captain.

So you think mainline pilots should have non-rev boarding priority on the Express aircraft? YGTBSM!....

"Whats mine is mine....and what's yours is mine".....The new ALPA motto.....

 

[XPOO]

I think it's a legitimate question. Why would you work with the GoJets committee on this when many JS committees are still refusing to even sign agreements with GoJet? Some UAL pilots are still denying GJ pilots the jumpseat. Do you think this will endear them to your cause when you list GJ as an "aggrieved" party along with you?

It's already known that everyone on here hates my guts, but geez, you just do not stop with your agenda do you? You are seriously starting to threaten my reing as most hated poster.