UAL Returning Furloughees

[Andy]

How long is the seat-lock? Also, how much soft-pay was taken away? IOW, do you need to fly 100 hrs/mo in order to get paid 100 hrs?

I'll give you the short answer (because there are a few variables). It's a 36 month freeze after you are checked out in a seat. However, you can bid off of that equipment after 14 months and incur a cumulative freeze of 60 months. 60 months is the maximum freeze that you can incur in all cases.

Good 'ol whiteford (former MEC chair) bent over backward with C2003 to try & save the pensions. In hindsight, a misguided effort (although I understand the rationale). Some of his concessions will leave many UAL pilots on the street for much longer than would have been without so many work rule changes (he gave away the farm in work rule changes).

As for flying 100 hours hard time for 100 hours pay, I don't know since I'm not out on the line. From what I've read, life in the narrowbody fleet sucks the big one compared to the widebody fleet. I think that there is much more soft pay on the widebodies, whereas it's pretty much hard time on the narrowbodies.

Anyone out there who has a better grasp on the subject, feel free to jump in and correct me.

 

[Andy]

GogglesPisano, I've gotta ask why you are interested in anything to do with United and getting hired there.
IIRC, you're a former FLYI pilot who's dumped a bucket or two of chum in the water while we at UAL were treading water.
Is World so bad that you'd consider joining the dark side?

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

I just checked and we are calling guys hired 12/99. This is current as of today, I hear that we might go to TWO class of 30 per month once we exit BK.

The other tidbit is you may start seeing the 767 go junior. Don't know if I can handle too much of the LCO flying.

See ya all around TK soon.

 

[Andy]

The other tidbit is you may start seeing the 767 go junior. Don't know if I can handle too much of the LCO flying.

True. Just be careful when you take your recall.
If you go to the same plane that you left, I guess that there's no seat lock. (I don't know if that holds true or not for those of us who have been furloughed for 3+ years) If you go to a different aircraft, you won't be able to bid off of it for 14 months.

 

[clownhater]

True. Just be careful when you take your recall.
If you go to the same plane that you left, I guess that there's no seat lock. (I don't know if that holds true or not for those of us who have been furloughed for 3+ years) If you go to a different aircraft, you won't be able to bid off of it for 14 months.

My buddy just got the call for class and was told that if you were furloughed for 3+years, you would have to go through the full school, re: of aircraft you left. My understanding was that if you did a full school, there was a 36 month freeze. Is that correct or is it the 14 months you refer to?

 

[clownhater]

I just checked and we are calling guys hired 12/99.

FutureTED,

Where is this info? The only place I know to go is Skynetlite--is there a more current place? Thanks

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

I just checked and we are calling guys hired 12/99.

FutureTED,

Where is this info? The only place I know to go is Skynetlite--is there a more current place? Thanks

ALPA/COMPUSERVE FORUMS.....

 

[Andy]

My buddy just got the call for class and was told that if you were furloughed for 3+years, you would have to go through the full school, re: of aircraft you left. My understanding was that if you did a full school, there was a 36 month freeze. Is that correct or is it the 14 months you refer to?

It sounds like a 36 month freeze. The 14 months is from section 8-D-4-a, which indicates that you aren't eligible to fill another vacancy bid for a period of 14 months after activating your previous vacancy bid.
I could be reading all of this wrong; I'm no lawyer. But it does look like you'll be stuck in the same aircraft for a while upon return. I hate the thought of being stuck in the narrowbody fleet under the current work rules; it sounds pretty heinous.

 

[GogglesPisano]

GogglesPisano, I've gotta ask why you are interested in anything to do with United and getting hired there.
IIRC, you're a former FLYI pilot who's dumped a bucket or two of chum in the water while we at UAL were treading water.
Is World so bad that you'd consider joining the dark side?

World is not a bad place at all. I'm very happy here and consider myself very lucky. I just like to keep an open mind -- something we all should. Plus I like to see furloughees at any airline being recalled.

Just because I worked at FlyI doesn't mean I automatically despise UAL or it's employees, quite the opposite. Don't think we all bought in to that "Death to United" mantra. OTOH, this doesn't mean I wasn't orginally supportive of ACA's plans to go out on their own. Seemed like a good idea at the time (20-20 hindsight aside.) It was simply business -- and certainly beyond my control.

Chum in the water? Please.

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

World is not a bad place at all. I'm very happy here so far. I just like to keep an open mind -- something we all should.

Just because I worked at FlyI doesn't mean I automatically despise UAL or it's employees, quite the opposite. OTOH, This doesn't mean I wasn't orginally supportive of ACA's plans to go out on their own. Seemed like a good idea at the time (20-20 hindsight aside.) It was simply business.

But chum in the water? Please.

I will give GogglesPisano some credit, he has always been supportive of UAL and didn't jump on the "Death to UAL" band wagon a few years back. I cannot say the same about MANY on this site.