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[Andy]

Goggles, my apologies to you then. I read way too many posts written by FLYI employees who were divvying up the assets of United and USAirways, making guesses on which pieces were going to end up on FLYI's plate. Not all of the schadenfreude was exhibited by FLYI employees, but the 'United sucks, Ted sucks more' pep rally didn't sit very well with me.
I see the same $hit now by some in regard to Delta and Northwest. Personally, I hope that Delta & Northwest do not lose a single aircraft, route, or block hour during their long & difficult journey through chapter 11.

 

[GogglesPisano]

No problem, Andy. Hope you get recalled soon.

I've always had a soft spot for the "legacies." I would like this profession to get back to "normal." But I doubt that will ever happen now.

 

[aa73]

Calling guys hired 11/99 probably start calling the 2000 hires soon.

Weclome back dude!

Check your PMs.

 

[Andy]

No problem, Andy. Hope you get recalled soon.

I've always had a soft spot for the "legacies." I would like this profession to get back to "normal." But I doubt that will ever happen now.

Goggles, thanks, I'll be back sometime in 2006.

As far as legacies go, I've flown for another company (post-AF) before being hired by United. Back in 2000, United was a great change from my previous (non-major) employer. Now, when I return to United, it'll be worse on the narrowbody side than it was for me at the non-major carrier. The contract has been raped and QOL now sucks in the narrowbody fleet.

As for the future of the profession, I think that the downward spiral will continue due to the large amount of money that Wall Street is willing to throw at startup carriers. Boeing and Airbus are competing for business and just want to sell their planes. Legacies have a hard time competing with a brand new carrier who have junior employees on a lower payscale and less overhead expenses. So instead of the legacies pulling up wages, they will drop in order to compete with startups who are paying low wages.
The downward wage spiral is not going to stop until there is a shortage of pilots. And with the big push to change retirement age, there won't be a shortage of pilots for a very, very long time.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

The downward spiral will end when the companies start making money. It has nothing to do with pilot supply. SWA is not taking wage cuts. UPS/FDX/ABX certainly are not either. The pax carriers have too much capacity. Virgin America is not going to help any either.

 

[clownhater]

Junior pilot to receive recall offer is now #7668 DOH 11/29/99

Is it their plan to have at least one class each month?

 

[727scammer]

Has anyone heard any revised numbers for 2006 recalls yet? I heard a rumor of 80 a month, but haven't been able to confirm it.

 

[727scammer]

Clownhater, I think you will be getting a call in a couple of weeks now. Haven't talked to Fabian in a while though, but Im sure its looking real good

 

[AdlerDriver]

The downward spiral will end when the companies start making money.

Unfortunately not. The downward spiral will stop when the first pilot group gets to negotiate a new contract AND the company is making $$. Then and only then will they be able to make some improvements. Until then, the companies will laugh all the way to the bank as they rake in profits and snicker while their pilots labor under the ridiculous contracts they all signed with their backs to the wall.
Most contracts have moved the passenger industry back decades. The spiral continues.
uke:

 

[RJ_Driver]

Uh, yeah... that would be CAL, Last quarter. Guess again.

 

[Tanner]

Recalls are up to Dec.-99 as of today. A friend of mine in that group just got called for an April class date!

 

[Uppercrust]

Recalls are up to Dec.-99 as of today. A friend of mine in that group just got called for an April class date![/

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Wow!!!

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

Actually they are calling 1/03/2000 hires as of yesterday. Check the ALPA boards. I think we will be through the list by the end of the year.

 

[Tanner]

Any idea what sen. # 1-03-00 would be?

 

[acroflyr]

On the July 7, 2005 seniority list, the most senior person of the 01-03-2000 new hire class is seniority number is 7719. The most junior person in that class is 7740.

 

[Going2Baja]

Mayo - good luck w/ the recall! How many more #'s for you? If you're lucky FutureTed will be there as well (read-hot gal.) Drop a call sometime bro or come down to Baja for a week - you need the vacation.

Baja.

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

Mayo - good luck w/ the recall! How many more #'s for you? If you're luck FutureTed will be there as well (read-hot gal.) Drop a call sometime bro or come down to Baja for a week - you need the vacation.

Baja.

I plan on having my Bolivian Babe stay with me in Denver. She needs to learn english a little better and I fiqure I can get her a job at Shot-Gun Willies to supplement my income.

i got the 300 in DCA so looks like I will avoid becoming a TED pilot

 

[boeing747-800]

What domicile did you want?? For my future reference...if you know what I mean.

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

What domicile did you want?? For my future reference...if you know what I mean.

My first choice was MIA....ha ha ha! But they don't have that anymore!

Actually I bid DCA/ORD/LAX all 300's to avoid the 3 year freeze, since I am told I can get a widebody 767 bid this summer.

I bid the 320 in DCA/ORD/LAX, but since I haven't flown the bus since 1/2003 I would incur a 3 year freeze, and that is a LONG time flying the TED system.

I just spoke to a 1/2000 hire and he got a class in April, right now the bypass rate is 50%-65%. I would have bypassed but my previous job went TANGO UNIFORM.

 

[acroflyr]

Hey FutureTEDPilot

Any idea how junior the ORD 320 is? I was furloughed off the 320 in SFO, but would rather be based in ORD now. Shorter commute. For the same reason you had, I would like to go back to the 320. I left with a 3 1/2 year freeze on the bus, and I guess that still applies when I go back. As an October 1, 2000 hire, I guess it will be a while before they get to me, but I'm just trying to see how things are shaking out now. Thanks for the info. Good luck!