UAL Returning Furloughees

[AAflyer]

I was hired 11-15-99. Just got the call yesterday for a March 20, 2006 class. Can't wait!

K

That has to be your best Christmas present by far. Congrats.

AA
:beer:

 

[Huggyu2]

50-65% Bypass rate, but you would be surprised how that may change soon.

Can I assume you mean the bypass rate will get even higher?

 

[Huggyu2]

I was hired 11-15-99. Just got the call yesterday for a March 20, 2006 class. Can't wait!

Does that put you about 7630 on the seniority list?

 

[Kentang4]

Seniority #

Huggy,
Very good guess, I'm 7638 on the list.

AAflyer,
you got it! Probably the best present ever!

To all the guys and gals at UAL who have worked so hard and given up so much to get folks like me back on the property, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I can't wait to be back in uniform! Merry Christmas to all and may 2006 be a great year for our industry...

Kent

 

[Huggyu2]

I'll drink to that! Have fun at TK!
BTW, I have a UAL bud that just left after -- get this -- 12+ years at the company. I found out in his Christmas card. I hear this has happened quite a bit.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Congrats to recallees.

(Does this mean scantrons will be just around the corner? Say, 2007?)

 

[Kentang4]

Huggy,
I've heard that lots of guys have left as well, but apparently that trend has slowed back to fairly normal levels as the company gets ready to exit bk. I'm still a little shocked at the number of bypassers though. They chewed through at least 100 guys/gals to get 30 for the March 20 class.

Goggle,
At the rate they are going I wouldn't be too surprised if they get through the furlough list by the end of '06, so you might be right about scantrons in '07. Let's hope so.

K

 

[Andy]

Huggy,
I've heard that lots of guys have left as well, but apparently that trend has slowed back to fairly normal levels as the company gets ready to exit bk. I'm still a little shocked at the number of bypassers though. They chewed through at least 100 guys/gals to get 30 for the March 20 class.

Between people accepting recall and then exercising mil leave and bypasses, that sounds about right.
As we get lower in the list, I'd expect bypasses/mil leaves to increase. However, some of that will be offset by previous bypasses accepting recall. I read a recent post on UAL's ALPA forum that the 75/767 is starting to go fairly junior. Perhaps we'll see bypass/ mil leaves come back when they are able to get on the 75/767. With the long seat locks, this may be a smart strategy.

 

[Huggyu2]

Agree. So many junior pilots (those hired in '01, especially) have moved on to careers with SWA and others. They had very little invested, and as a result, those they "bypass" (read: delaying their resignation from UAL) will soar upwards of 80%+.

 

[GogglesPisano]

With the long seat locks, this may be a smart strategy.

How long is the seat-lock? Also, how much soft-pay was taken away? IOW, do you need to fly 100 hrs/mo in order to get paid 100 hrs?

 

[Andy]

How long is the seat-lock? Also, how much soft-pay was taken away? IOW, do you need to fly 100 hrs/mo in order to get paid 100 hrs?

I'll give you the short answer (because there are a few variables). It's a 36 month freeze after you are checked out in a seat. However, you can bid off of that equipment after 14 months and incur a cumulative freeze of 60 months. 60 months is the maximum freeze that you can incur in all cases.

Good 'ol whiteford (former MEC chair) bent over backward with C2003 to try & save the pensions. In hindsight, a misguided effort (although I understand the rationale). Some of his concessions will leave many UAL pilots on the street for much longer than would have been without so many work rule changes (he gave away the farm in work rule changes).

As for flying 100 hours hard time for 100 hours pay, I don't know since I'm not out on the line. From what I've read, life in the narrowbody fleet sucks the big one compared to the widebody fleet. I think that there is much more soft pay on the widebodies, whereas it's pretty much hard time on the narrowbodies.

Anyone out there who has a better grasp on the subject, feel free to jump in and correct me.

 

[Andy]

GogglesPisano, I've gotta ask why you are interested in anything to do with United and getting hired there.
IIRC, you're a former FLYI pilot who's dumped a bucket or two of chum in the water while we at UAL were treading water.
Is World so bad that you'd consider joining the dark side?

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

I just checked and we are calling guys hired 12/99. This is current as of today, I hear that we might go to TWO class of 30 per month once we exit BK.

The other tidbit is you may start seeing the 767 go junior. Don't know if I can handle too much of the LCO flying.

See ya all around TK soon.

 

[Andy]

The other tidbit is you may start seeing the 767 go junior. Don't know if I can handle too much of the LCO flying.

True. Just be careful when you take your recall.
If you go to the same plane that you left, I guess that there's no seat lock. (I don't know if that holds true or not for those of us who have been furloughed for 3+ years) If you go to a different aircraft, you won't be able to bid off of it for 14 months.

 

[clownhater]

True. Just be careful when you take your recall.
If you go to the same plane that you left, I guess that there's no seat lock. (I don't know if that holds true or not for those of us who have been furloughed for 3+ years) If you go to a different aircraft, you won't be able to bid off of it for 14 months.

My buddy just got the call for class and was told that if you were furloughed for 3+years, you would have to go through the full school, re: of aircraft you left. My understanding was that if you did a full school, there was a 36 month freeze. Is that correct or is it the 14 months you refer to?

 

[clownhater]

I just checked and we are calling guys hired 12/99.

FutureTED,

Where is this info? The only place I know to go is Skynetlite--is there a more current place? Thanks

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

I just checked and we are calling guys hired 12/99.

FutureTED,

Where is this info? The only place I know to go is Skynetlite--is there a more current place? Thanks

ALPA/COMPUSERVE FORUMS.....

 

[Andy]

My buddy just got the call for class and was told that if you were furloughed for 3+years, you would have to go through the full school, re: of aircraft you left. My understanding was that if you did a full school, there was a 36 month freeze. Is that correct or is it the 14 months you refer to?

It sounds like a 36 month freeze. The 14 months is from section 8-D-4-a, which indicates that you aren't eligible to fill another vacancy bid for a period of 14 months after activating your previous vacancy bid.
I could be reading all of this wrong; I'm no lawyer. But it does look like you'll be stuck in the same aircraft for a while upon return. I hate the thought of being stuck in the narrowbody fleet under the current work rules; it sounds pretty heinous.

 

[GogglesPisano]

GogglesPisano, I've gotta ask why you are interested in anything to do with United and getting hired there.
IIRC, you're a former FLYI pilot who's dumped a bucket or two of chum in the water while we at UAL were treading water.
Is World so bad that you'd consider joining the dark side?

World is not a bad place at all. I'm very happy here and consider myself very lucky. I just like to keep an open mind -- something we all should. Plus I like to see furloughees at any airline being recalled.

Just because I worked at FlyI doesn't mean I automatically despise UAL or it's employees, quite the opposite. Don't think we all bought in to that "Death to United" mantra. OTOH, this doesn't mean I wasn't orginally supportive of ACA's plans to go out on their own. Seemed like a good idea at the time (20-20 hindsight aside.) It was simply business -- and certainly beyond my control.

Chum in the water? Please.

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

World is not a bad place at all. I'm very happy here so far. I just like to keep an open mind -- something we all should.

Just because I worked at FlyI doesn't mean I automatically despise UAL or it's employees, quite the opposite. OTOH, This doesn't mean I wasn't orginally supportive of ACA's plans to go out on their own. Seemed like a good idea at the time (20-20 hindsight aside.) It was simply business.

But chum in the water? Please.

I will give GogglesPisano some credit, he has always been supportive of UAL and didn't jump on the "Death to UAL" band wagon a few years back. I cannot say the same about MANY on this site.