Continued
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Couple of other points :
-Going to be A LOT more than 1500 mainline furloughs (especially, when Baseball-Style Arbitration becomes a reality).
G4G5’s reply
With the 1500 number I am dealing in facts. Could it be more, absolutely (let’s hope not). Could it be less, absolutely? As you can see section 6 for us is nowhere in site, so don’t put all your eggs in a baseball cap. What happens if UAL and/or U go ch7 in the next 6 months? Or the economy turns for the better? Both realistic possibilities. Or War and the economy sours? 1500 is what’s planned for this year, let’s not try to predict the future. Even one furloughed pilot is too many, that’s my point, and unless you have a better plan, the one list concept is the quickest way to get guys back, on both sides.
One fact that I can tell you is our furloughed pilots are tied to your growth (scope) so what’s good for us is good for Eagle and what’s bad for us is……….
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Get pay rates up ? OhhhhKaayyy, yep, thats exactly what Carty wants. You just keep right on believing that.
G4G5’s reply.
Try to think big picture, Carty wants to see his revenue go up. Cutting pay rates and fleet size makes market share go down. With the current Scope clause he is being hindered. If he has to give a pay increase to get X number of additional 50/70/90/100/110 RJs he will be glad to do it IF he can make his revenue and market share increase by Y%. That’s what they are sitting down to discuss now. He is telling the APA what he wants and what he is willing to pay and the APA is telling him what they will give back and what pay rate(bennies, work rules) they want. Either side can say, no and walk away. Then pay rates stay the same and for Carty so does the number of Eagle RJ’s. You can’t make money flying aircraft you don’t have. Again that’s what this is all about getting more flying for both sides.
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But to Reiterate, FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, I AND MOST EAGLE PILOTS DO BELIEVE A "ONE-LIST" SCENARIO IS GOOD FOR ALL PARTIES, BUT THE STIPULATIONS IN THE CURRENT PROPOSAL ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE.
What is there about that statement that you do not understand ?
G4G5’s reply,
Nothing. My answer is that it has not been completed, AMR and the APA are still negotiating. For the umpteenth time the proposal is better then your current 12 year contract.
The proposal:
Gets rid of reverse code sharing
Stops the sale of executive
Improves the flow through.
Gets a pay raise
Improves quality of life and benefits
Gets our furloughed pilots back quicker
Allows for growth at Eagle and AA mainline
Do you deny this?
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-Why are only the APA and AMR negotiating ? Maybe you should ask the APA that. Again, you imply we at Eagle are just "afterthoughts" and should just hold on to Daddy's trouser leg as he walks aroung the house. I'm pointing out contractual protections we have that allow us to have a say in our futures. You refuse to accpet that and cover your ears while saying, "LAAH,LAAH,LAAH, LAAH".
G4G5’s reply
I imply nothing. Eagle is not invited for a variety of reasons.
You don’t have a Scope clause that concerns AMR mgt, so you have nothing to give back in order to negotiate with or you would have been invited.
Your MEC has done nothing to try and improve the situation, no plans to help improve AMR’s bottom line, or you would have been invited.
While you seem to feel that Carty needs the Eagle pilot approval to shift flying and aircraft, he does not, or you would have been invited.
That was my point, by the virtue of the fact that Eagle is not at the table it should tell you that he can do what he wants with your assets, the APA can not. While you think the one list is a screw job so be it, it’s not. The APA has the power to: Negotiate all 70/90/100/110 seat flying with or without Eagle. They can give scope relief on the 50 seater in turn for all new ERJ 170 series flying, which is above 75K#. Then can negotiate pay rates and do it all without Eagle, and you can keep your contract for the next 12 year, which is what it sounds like you want. That’s fine with me, I think it hurts the Eagle pilot(you miss out on a great opportunity to instantly improve all of the items I mentioned without having to “baseball style” arbitrate a hand full every few years) but if that’s what you want, OK.
What the APA is trying to avoid is another Scope confrontation down the road. As long as there are two lists AMR mgt will always try to play the two sides against each other. It may not happen next year but with two lists you can guarantee that something like this will happen again.
“LAAH,LAAH,LAAH, LAAH” would have been a good answer too
~~
Couple of other points :
-Going to be A LOT more than 1500 mainline furloughs (especially, when Baseball-Style Arbitration becomes a reality).
G4G5’s reply
With the 1500 number I am dealing in facts. Could it be more, absolutely (let’s hope not). Could it be less, absolutely? As you can see section 6 for us is nowhere in site, so don’t put all your eggs in a baseball cap. What happens if UAL and/or U go ch7 in the next 6 months? Or the economy turns for the better? Both realistic possibilities. Or War and the economy sours? 1500 is what’s planned for this year, let’s not try to predict the future. Even one furloughed pilot is too many, that’s my point, and unless you have a better plan, the one list concept is the quickest way to get guys back, on both sides.
One fact that I can tell you is our furloughed pilots are tied to your growth (scope) so what’s good for us is good for Eagle and what’s bad for us is……….
~~
Get pay rates up ? OhhhhKaayyy, yep, thats exactly what Carty wants. You just keep right on believing that.
G4G5’s reply.
Try to think big picture, Carty wants to see his revenue go up. Cutting pay rates and fleet size makes market share go down. With the current Scope clause he is being hindered. If he has to give a pay increase to get X number of additional 50/70/90/100/110 RJs he will be glad to do it IF he can make his revenue and market share increase by Y%. That’s what they are sitting down to discuss now. He is telling the APA what he wants and what he is willing to pay and the APA is telling him what they will give back and what pay rate(bennies, work rules) they want. Either side can say, no and walk away. Then pay rates stay the same and for Carty so does the number of Eagle RJ’s. You can’t make money flying aircraft you don’t have. Again that’s what this is all about getting more flying for both sides.
~~
But to Reiterate, FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, I AND MOST EAGLE PILOTS DO BELIEVE A "ONE-LIST" SCENARIO IS GOOD FOR ALL PARTIES, BUT THE STIPULATIONS IN THE CURRENT PROPOSAL ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE.
What is there about that statement that you do not understand ?
G4G5’s reply,
Nothing. My answer is that it has not been completed, AMR and the APA are still negotiating. For the umpteenth time the proposal is better then your current 12 year contract.
The proposal:
Gets rid of reverse code sharing
Stops the sale of executive
Improves the flow through.
Gets a pay raise
Improves quality of life and benefits
Gets our furloughed pilots back quicker
Allows for growth at Eagle and AA mainline
Do you deny this?
~~
-Why are only the APA and AMR negotiating ? Maybe you should ask the APA that. Again, you imply we at Eagle are just "afterthoughts" and should just hold on to Daddy's trouser leg as he walks aroung the house. I'm pointing out contractual protections we have that allow us to have a say in our futures. You refuse to accpet that and cover your ears while saying, "LAAH,LAAH,LAAH, LAAH".
G4G5’s reply
I imply nothing. Eagle is not invited for a variety of reasons.
You don’t have a Scope clause that concerns AMR mgt, so you have nothing to give back in order to negotiate with or you would have been invited.
Your MEC has done nothing to try and improve the situation, no plans to help improve AMR’s bottom line, or you would have been invited.
While you seem to feel that Carty needs the Eagle pilot approval to shift flying and aircraft, he does not, or you would have been invited.
That was my point, by the virtue of the fact that Eagle is not at the table it should tell you that he can do what he wants with your assets, the APA can not. While you think the one list is a screw job so be it, it’s not. The APA has the power to: Negotiate all 70/90/100/110 seat flying with or without Eagle. They can give scope relief on the 50 seater in turn for all new ERJ 170 series flying, which is above 75K#. Then can negotiate pay rates and do it all without Eagle, and you can keep your contract for the next 12 year, which is what it sounds like you want. That’s fine with me, I think it hurts the Eagle pilot(you miss out on a great opportunity to instantly improve all of the items I mentioned without having to “baseball style” arbitrate a hand full every few years) but if that’s what you want, OK.
What the APA is trying to avoid is another Scope confrontation down the road. As long as there are two lists AMR mgt will always try to play the two sides against each other. It may not happen next year but with two lists you can guarantee that something like this will happen again.
“LAAH,LAAH,LAAH, LAAH” would have been a good answer too
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