Three questions about the Q-400 trim and deice system.

[Lynxman]

Where the f did you find that? I wish I woulda never clicked on that.

 

[Icywings]

At least Icywings isn't as bad as this guy:
http://www.michael-crook.com/flight_3407/

Why would you even compare me to this guy in anyway. I am on the side of the pilots.

This guy is a disgrace and it is a shame that he has a blog.

 

[goodgig]

That is seriously f'd up. The guy is just saying stuff for the express purpose of generating blood pressure. Like the "church" that goes around hating dead American soldiers.
He has no idea wtf he is talking about:
"Speaking of the pilot, Marvin Renslow had a scant 110 hours logged on the Dash 8, and had only completed his training on that sort of aircraft in December. He had a total number of 3,379 flight experience hours, including time flying a smaller Saab jet, which requires the pilot to pull up in a stall, as opposed to pushing forward in the Dash 8. The choice to let him fly the Dash 8 turned out to be a fatal one. I hope whoever made the choice is happy with that."

I quote that so maybe you don't want to click it further.....

 

[Icywings]

That is seriously f'd up. The guy is just saying stuff for the express purpose of generating blood pressure. Like the "church" that goes around hating dead American soldiers.
He has no idea wtf he is talking about:
"Speaking of the pilot, Marvin Renslow had a scant 110 hours logged on the Dash 8, and had only completed his training on that sort of aircraft in December. He had a total number of 3,379 flight experience hours, including time flying a smaller Saab jet, which requires the pilot to pull up in a stall, as opposed to pushing forward in the Dash 8. The choice to let him fly the Dash 8 turned out to be a fatal one. I hope whoever made the choice is happy with that."

I quote that so maybe you don't want to click it further.....

Yea, I third it. Don't click it as it WILL PI$$ YOU OFF!!!!

 

[airplane wizard]

Oddly enough the 767 doesn't have one.

Scary

 

[Lynxman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywvedFQgcUY

If you want to see what the tool looks like here ya go. An obvious ********************up and ugly bastard at that.

 

[Icywings]

Scary

I have two brothers that are captains in it and they said it makes no noise.

 

[Icywings]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywvedFQgcUY

If you want to see what the tool looks like here ya go. An obvious ********************up and ugly bastard at that.

LOL OMG he is messed up looking. I wouldn't let him drive a golf cart!

 

[BirdCatcher]

At least Icywings isn't as bad as this guy:
http://www.michael-crook.com/flight_3407/

WARNING!!! DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK IF YOU HAVE A HEART CONDITION OR ARE PRONE TO PUNCHING YOUR MONITOR AFTER READING TOTAL CRAP. DO NOT CLICK THE LINK IF YOU ARE EVEN SLIGHTLY OFFENDED AT THE SUGGESTION THAT THE PILOTS MIGHT HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG BECAUSE THIS GUY TAKES IT WAY PAST HUMAN DECENCY. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!

Well, move over Osama there's a new face going on my targets at the shooting range....

 

[Lynxman]

Do you want to see something worse look at this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQa8G3336fQ&feature=related

 

[Erlanger]

This Michael Crook guy is despicable to say the least. He claims to be an ordain minister. It's just a game to him and he apparently gets off upsetting and pissing others off. Everyone needs to stay away from his site. This is the only way he gets attention and he thrives on it. He probably lives in his parents basement.

 

[airplane wizard]

I have two brothers that are captains in it and they said it makes no noise.

Does the big wheel on the pedestal move when the ap trims or doesn't the 767 have a trim wheel on the center pedestal?

 

[Icywings]

Does the big wheel on the pedestal move when the ap trims or doesn't the 767 have a trim wheel on the center pedestal?

I will ask I don't know. However, when I pulled up a photo of the pedestal it I don't see a wheel but a stab trim lever.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/MAXjet-Airways/Boeing-767-238-ER/1200326/L/

 

[Icywings]

THIS IS THE CRAP I AM TRYING TO STOP!

I promise this will seriously piss you off. It is similar to what the at idiot with the blog wrote but this time it is on Mainstream MSNBC.

Click with caution as you will want to throw the monitor through the wall.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29244493/


Now would some of you PLEASE step up and give me info on the common squawks of the Q400 that could be related to this in some way? Please, before it gets worse!

 

[LJ45]

THIS IS THE CRAP I AM TRYING TO STOP!

I promise this will seriously piss you off. It is similar to what the at idiot with the blog wrote but this time it is on Mainstream MSNBC.

Click with caution as you will want to throw the monitor through the wall.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29244493/


Now would some of you PLEASE step up and give me info on the common squawks of the Q400 that could be related to this in some way? Please, before it gets worse!

I am stuipd,I guess... What parts you didn't like?

 

[Icywings]

I am stuipd,I guess... What parts you didn't like?

Ummmmm I don't know how about the first three paragraphs making it look like they violated the rules by flying with autopilot. The general public will take "guidelines" as a regulation and say they violated them by flying with autopilot on in icing.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Actually it sounded like a fairly balanced article based on the available knowledge at this time.

Perhaps it is time to unwind your panties and move on?

 

[Icywings]

Actually it sounded like a fairly balanced article based on the available knowledge at this time.

Perhaps it is time to unwind your panties and move on?

I don't know. Maybe I overreacted to it. I am sick as hell with the flu. Most people won't read past the first 5 paragraphs of an article like that.

 

[airplane wizard]

Maybe it was a split flap condition, and the ice had nothing to do with it. It was dark and they were I think only 1500 agl. Little time for recovery from an upset.

 

[Icywings]

Maybe it was a split flap condition, and the ice had nothing to do with it. It was dark and they were I think only 1500 agl. Little time for recovery from an upset.

I thought of that but wouldn't the ntsb know that by now? My other thought was one engine involuntarily going into Beta. Then I thought the NTSB would know that already. Also neither explains the straight pitch up that happened. It should have rolled first I would think. I have read about two accidents in the Q400 where the engine went into Beta on its own. But I doubt that is the case here. Maybe the Q400 drivers can shed some light on this.

To me though it seems that the flaps coming down did something to the airflow to create a downward force on the horizontal stabilizer that was most likely full of ice for some reason. I say some reason cause the deice system must have been jacked.

The plane was also going very slow and should not have been that slow from what a few Q400 drivers have told me in private (yes people are trying to help me help the crew). So I wonder how much ice could have built up on the flaps or gears to add just enough weight to stall it. At that low airspeed it wouldn't take much more extra weight.

As many will now say to this..we shouldn't speculate and it will be in the NTSB report. Yea, we know...in a year!