This is why the last payrates offered by NJA were "insulting."

[FamilyGuy]

what a joke.

very very few real corp jobs have worse QOL than Netjets.

most shiver when they see your a/c and say, "dang those guys work their a$$es off for nothing".

rules? whats that mean? the 10 hrs you get in the local hilton? great rules...

With how hard they run you guys you practically need NBAAx2 to even justify it. I cant think of any corp guys I know who would keep thier NBAA numbers and go to Netjets to work that great "7 and 7". forget about it.

I didnt mean to imply that the QOL is better than a corp flight dept. I would choose a non-union flight dept over a union shop any day....who wouldn't?

The point is that there are a lot of restrictions on how pilots are scheduled and used that are different and less efficient than a flight dept.

So tell me, how plentiful are these corp flight dept jobs? If they are so much better, then everyone would go there....unless they can't, because they are not readily available....

 

[WGFP48]

It took six weeks of Indoc, Sim, and then another eight weeks for check rides when I was hired. When all these picket crossers come over, that would create quite the backlog don't you think?

I don't know how many of these USAirways, Delta and United pilots are typed and current on a C-X, but I just don't see how this will work. We can't attract bottom feeders now. How will we ever attract the best and brightest?

Squonk...for once you are partially right!! It will take 6 to 8 weeks to spool up...but you are forgetting that NJA pilots will cross in droves too...there isn't a one of them that can make it on $120 a week strike benefits....when they realize how little the Teamsters are going to give them to stay out on strike, they will cross....then there will be sell offs and NJM and NJI will pick up some of the slack...so you see it can be done!!

I watched ALPA during the Eastern strike, and ALPA had commissioned Kit Darby's company FAPA to make an assement whether there were pilots who Eastern could use as replacements...FAPA only could identify less than 100 people they thought would go to work at Eastern...well in 6 months Eastern hired and trained 2800 pilots and had them on the line as 1011 Capt's, DC-9 Capt's, 727 Capt's, and every sort of F/O...It can be done!!!

As determined as the NJA pilots are to STFD, the resolve of the company and the remaining employees is even higher...WGFP48

 

[Hawkered]

It all really comes down to numbers and emotions. It's really time to temper the emotions, so we can focus on the numbers again.

Forget about hardly working in a corporate flight department; I'd go up the wall with boredom.

My feeling is that we should work efficiently and yes, quite hard, for a good days pay and then have the versatility of our schedule to enjoy time off.

 

[CapnVegetto]

what a joke.

very very few real corp jobs have worse QOL than Netjets.

most shiver when they see your a/c and say, "dang those guys work their a$$es off for nothing".

rules? whats that mean? the 10 hrs you get in the local hilton? great rules...

With how hard they run you guys you practically need NBAAx2 to even justify it. I cant think of any corp guys I know who would keep thier NBAA numbers and go to Netjets to work that great "7 and 7". forget about it.

G200 is 100% right. Even with 200% NBAA pay, I wouldn't even consider taking my CE-560 PIC currency to NJA. Why? I don't want to be gone 7 days in a row every other day.....spend 10 hours in a hotel, and work my a$$ off all day. I fly 200-400 hours a year at a corporate job. Why do I want to fly 1200 hours a year, show up at 0001L my first day, never get to spend any time where I go, be tired all the time?

You NJA guys work your a$$es off. Pay should be NBAA average. Period. I think 200% NBAA is a little greedy and unrealistic, because you also don't do a lot of stuff that corporate guys do, but NBAA avg. should be it.

 

[Diesel]

We're not asking for 200 percent of NBAA just 90 percentile of NBAA.

 

[gunfyter]

I don't think anyone flies 1200 hrs a year. My top year was about 750 and my low year was 360 (due to training delays). Normal yr is about 600... 7/7 no extending.

 

[CapnVegetto]

We're not asking for 200 percent of NBAA just 90 percentile of NBAA.

If that's the case, then there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't get it. It's time to pay the pilots. Management worried about money? Too f-ing bad. Pilots cost X amount, it's up to them to figure out how to pay X amount. Period. SWA does it.....anyone can do it. Increase efficiency, reduce waste, raise fees. That's not the pilots' job to figure out how to pay them.....it's management's. "Rape your labor" is NOT a valid business plan.

 

[Diesel]

actually i did 900hrs last year.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

If that's the case, then there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't get it. It's time to pay the pilots. Management worried about money? Too f-ing bad. Pilots cost X amount, it's up to them to figure out how to pay X amount. Period. SWA does it.....anyone can do it. Increase efficiency, reduce waste, raise fees. That's not the pilots' job to figure out how to pay them.....it's management's. "Rape your labor" is NOT a valid business plan.

Nice rant Capt... but "consensual" is more appropriate to Netjet pilots than "rape"

when one agrees and accepts to be SCREWED (and paid) like a cheap whore its consensual...

 

[GEXDriver]

We're not asking for 200 percent of NBAA just 90 percentile of NBAA.

So about $128,500.00 for a Falcon 2000 captain? And you guys max out now at what, about $95,800 on 7/7 and $115,000 on flex? That doesn't seem like too big a jump.

 

[Hawkered]

This is really not the kind of posting we want to see. As a dues paying member of IBT 1108, I would really like to see specific numbers stay behind closed doors until my elected leadership asks me to examine their endorsed Tentative Agreement.

Trial by media, slander by media or negotiating by media really isn't the direction I like to see my career going in. I find it unfortunate that both sides are not seeing the enormous damage this is doing to our product.

Guys, get back in the room. Don't drink or eat anything before you go in and stay in their until it's done with.

Crandall did this at American. He had to get a B scale going and he had to get Sabre going to deal with deregulation and every start-up that was on his turf.

We are on a precipice. We can go forward..and all get rich together all we can become the next Pan Am or USAir!

 

[Diesel]

Gex Driver-
Augh expect a post from family guy about how we're asking for the world. It's no big deal. I'm not looking to move anytime soon. Got too much on my plate right now.

Gulfstream 200, Is it rape if they use a condom? Let's get the gay out and get a pay raise.

 

[Diesel]

Guys, get back in the room. Don't drink or eat anything before you go in and stay in their until it's done with.

Which guys are you refering too? The union can sit in the room all day long but if the company isn't willing to move on it's pay how do you negotiate? The company refused to budge on their pay. The union was negotiating with themselves. Not a good idea.

 

[dukeofdub]

Which guys are you refering too? The union can sit in the room all day long but if the company isn't willing to move on it's pay how do you negotiate? The company refused to budge on their pay. The union was negotiating with themselves. Not a good idea.

It looks to many that the Company came to the table and had met their threshold with an increase in base pay that was from 23% to 30% depending on where you fell in the list. As many pilots are either on bypass pay or have had seniority increases over the years it may not be a straight 23% increase, because their automatic increases or bypass pay may have eaten into that 23% - 30% increase.

The Union has a self declaired threshold that is far above the Company threshold. As the Union has created a "threshold" that the Company does not appear to be able to meet for the Union to lower it's "threshold" to recieve the 23% increase sounds logical. How can the Company negotiate without negotiating against itself and not exceed it's "threshold?"

 

[CMHTroll]

Don't even bother

Duke, Don't bother trying to explain it to them. Their concept is pay the pilots what they want or have no company. Next time they will be asking for astronaunt wages. The Union based it's concepts on nothing more than their wants regardless of the effect on the company. The Union will never understand the concept of business, just the concept of their version of their self worth.