SWAPA might like SWA proposal

[DonVerita]

If SWAPA will not allow any "harm" to come to any SWAPA pilot, why on Earth would anyone from SWAPA think that ATN ALPA would not demand the same thing for their pilots?

FACT: The ATN MEC has R-E-J-E-C-T-E-D the SWA Management SLI proposal. That means that it will not go out to the ATN pilot group for a vote, and rightly so. They won't send an unequitable and unfair proposal to our pilot group to vote on. Why would they? To waste time seeing it get voted down? Then we start over with a slightly better proposal and it too gets voted down. Where does it end?

The ATN MEC and MC will send us a proposal at some point that they feel is respectful of our pilot group if there is one to be had. If not, then we're all headed to federal arbitration where this will be settled by a neutral 3rd party. As I've stated time and time again, I have no problem with that.

 

[redflyer65]

Weren't you saying that the offer from GK would be a one time deal? That he doesn't negotiate? in life, everything's a negotiation.

Good luck with that.

RF

 

[Bob Dylan]

I predict Southwest will start hiring soon!

 

[scoreboardII]

The simple fact is that no matter how this turns out the AAI pilots will win over the long term.

winning the battle of getting one list is different than winning the war and becoming a SWA employee.

 

[GoodTimes]

Maybe it's just me, but when the CEO of the company that just bought you calls a meeting and subsequently makes a proposal, I would think there's more to it than just "negotiations as usual". Who knows?

 

[scoreboardII]

If not, then we're all headed to federal arbitration where this will be settled by a neutral 3rd party.

Well, the friendly tone lasted about 20 hours, arbitration gets you a list, nothing more, go check it out. Good luck with that.

 

[runfast]

According to some reports, senior FO's at aai would lose close to 32 % under the latest proposal that didn't make it out for a vote....

 

[kwick]

Looks like Relative Seniority
From Arbitration!

Would have thought he would
Have made an acceptable
Proposal.

 

[swa737-700]

Looks like Relative Seniority
From Arbitration!

Would have thought he would
Have made an acceptable
Proposal.

That is so laughable as to be sad that you can actually put that in print. Wake up.

 

[Flyarcticcat]

According to some reports, senior FO's at aai would lose close to 32 % under the latest proposal that didn't make it out for a vote

Source??

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

The AirTran MEC did not endorse the proposal. The Merger Committees are back at the bargaining table today.

Please clarify: They did not endorse it as in they have not acted on it yet or as in they rejected it. If they rejected it source please.


Thanks,
Ghetto

 

[kwick]

That is so laughable as to be sad that you can actually put that in print. Wake up.

It's less laughable than saying an arbitrated list would result in no
merging of the lists.

GK has told the SEC and the investment community that he is fully
merging the operations. If he lied about that material fact to investors he could end up in jail, and the lawsuits from investors could last for
years and result in the ultimate downfall of the airline. WAKE UP!

 

[PCL_128]

Please clarify: They did not endorse it as in they have not acted on it yet or as in they rejected it. If they rejected it source please.

They left Dallas and the Merger Committee went back to bargaining. There wasn't anything to reject or approve, as the MC hasn't brought them a deal. When the MC reaches a deal that they feel is acceptable, they will bring it to the MEC for them to vote on. If they approve it, then it goes out for a pilot vote. That's how it works.

 

[madjack]

The company wants a negotiated settlement between the pilot groups...the company usually gets what the company wants....this ain't over...

REMEMBER ITS NEGOTIATIONS

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Looks like Relative Seniority
From Arbitration!

Would have thought he would
Have made an acceptable
Proposal.

In your mind is there any "acceptable proposal" other than relative or AAI pilots getting the top 1700 slots?

 

[Cometman]

It's less laughable than saying an arbitrated list would result in no
merging of the lists.

GK has told the SEC and the investment community that he is fully
merging the operations. If he lied about that material fact to investors he could end up in jail, and the lawsuits from investors could last for
years and result in the ultimate downfall of the airline. WAKE UP!

The good thing you mentioned that. I really do not think that SWAPA knew that. It seems that Airtran really has SWAPA in a good position. Everybody thought that SWAPA would control this but after reading your post and the other legal experts like PCL, Ty and Lear70 it seems like SWAPA will have to give in to your demands or face the music. You should at least give them a way out to save face.

 

[WildcatFan]

You can lead a horse to water...

 

[madjack]

According to some reports, senior FO's at aai would lose close to 32 % under the latest proposal that didn't make it out for a vote....

32% of what...pay??

 

[GoodTimes]

With all the gains coming to the AAI group, saying "thanks, but no thanks. We'll hold out for a little more" to your new boss just doesn't sound too promising.

 

[kwick]

The company wants a negotiated settlement between the pilot groups...the company usually gets what the company wants....this ain't over...

REMEMBER ITS NEGOTIATIONS

I thougt you were the "genius" that said GK only makes one offer.

Think Again!

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

This is going to be good! Evidently some Airtran guys on this forum are to dense to understand what is going on in Dallas this week. Gary will let this go to arbitration, but Airtran will not like the outcome. I hope you guys are brash enough to turn it down. This is getting good.

 

[redflyer65]

I thougt you were the "genius" that said GK only makes one offer.

Think Again!

Have you heard of Gary making a second proposal? It will be interesting to see if he will. If there are small changes to the package, then maybe. Anything other than that, and AAI might be on their own.

 

[madjack]

Kwick,

I am not a genius I am a pilot...but I never said "GK only makes one offer", someone else said it but not me...I have never said I know what MR Kelly is thinking, he may not make another offer. I do believe he is a very good negotiator, and that he really wants a negotiated settlement.

 

[jetpilot4u]

I have one word... BATNA. Look it up on Wikipedia. Thanks for playing...

 

[madjack]

I assume it wasn't 32% of pay that the senior AAI FOs were losing. Does anyone know what the average RAISE for AAI FOs would be?

 

[cole]

I don't know why you're talking about financial benefits. We aren't merging pay checks, we're merging seniority. The two have nothing to do with each other.

Well if that's the case, you can keep your pay and benefits and we will keep ours. Oh and you can keep you seniority on a seperate list. That was easy!!!!

 

[redflyer65]

70% payraise off the rates of Sept. 26th.

 

[dicko]

The company wants a negotiated settlement between the pilot groups...the company usually gets what the company wants....this ain't over...

REMEMBER ITS NEGOTIATIONS

Very true.

It appears that Jack isn't all that mad after all ....

 

[madjack]

I don't know why you're talking about financial benefits. We aren't merging pay checks, we're merging seniority. The two have nothing to do with each other.

NEWSFLASH: Seniority is about pay checks

 

[dicko]

You can lead a horse to water...

But only Chuck Norris can make it drink.