SWAPA might like SWA proposal

[ron burgundy]

Who knew... all the answers to life are right here on this forum. Everybody knows what the future holds... or he/she knows somebody or he/she is just so right in everything they think. Sickening..........

 

[madjack]

DV,

Do you like it when some SWA posters break out the "nuclear option" threat? Well AAI's version is "give us what we want or we have the arbitrators take it from you"...all these "threats" do is "stir the pot" which I guess is what FI is all about.

 

[kwick]

Going to arbitration is an attempt to get a fair SLI for both parties.

'Nuclear Option" is an attempt to hold a gun to someone's head to get them to
agree with you.

 

[ASADFW7]

When either side breaks out whatever option that pisses you off, you have a choice to react to it or not.

 

[madjack]

Kwick,

You are correct, but we ALL KNOW that arbitration is a an agreed to option for both sides. Enough with the threats.... The SWA SLI proposal will provide managements view of what is F/E and in the best interest of the company.

 

[27 driver]

Nobody knows what arbitration holds. I could go good or bad for either side. Anyone who says differently is nuts. It is an unknown at best. Hopefully this thing gets hammered out in DAL on Friday.

 

[slaquer5]

Crashpad speaks for no one at AirTran except himself.

A crappy SLI will not pass MEMRAT at AAI despite what Crashpad, the consumate defeatist, thinks.

And you my brother, speak for no one but yourself. Why don't you cool it and not get yourself and others worked up.

 

[carl p]

We can't threaten anyone with arbitration, how can you threaten someone with an unknown? If someone on either side says they would rather take their chances in arbitration it isn't a threat, it's a gamble. It is a risky unknown for all sides and avoiding it through mutual co-operation and compromise would be wise.

 

[SWA/FO]

Carl P - the voice of reason! This ones :beer: for you.

 

[DonVerita]

And you my brother, speak for no one but yourself. Why don't you cool it and not get yourself and others worked up.

Only responding to the toxic nonsense put up by some on your side, my brother.

What I've been saying is this: If the two sides can't come to an agreement on their own, then the remedy is federal binding arbitration and we all live with the decision that they make...for better or worse. Why do some of the SWA guys seem to have a problem with that?

 

[Flying the Line]

We want to see it that is voted on by the group, if a majority vote yes then it is fair.

 

[madjack]

DV,

SWAPAs negotiating position (with SWA endorsement) is no SWA pilot will be harmed by this acquisition. SWA pilots cannot hope to achieve the same level of financial benefit the AAI pilots will receive but we can hope to be not be "harmed". Why would you seek arbitration if the outcome is not harmful to SWA pilots and is also beneficial financially to every AAI pilot?

 

[Empennage]

Only responding to the toxic nonsense put up by some on your side, my brother.

What I've been saying is this: If the two sides can't come to an agreement on their own, then the remedy is federal binding arbitration and we all live with the decision that they make...for better or worse. Why do some of the SWA guys seem to have a problem with that?

There is no problem with that very thing you speak of. I don't think any Swa pilot has an issue with the process itself or even with the results of such.

I posted a few days ago a statement about talking points. It appears there was an education campaign early on with anticipated results based upon a set of perceived conditions. It also appears the campaign intentionally failed to go far enough containing the many potential outcomes.

It's speculation to comment any further at this point. Now we wait.

 

[dicko]

There is no problem with that very thing you speak of. I don't think any Swa pilot has an issue with the process itself or even with the results of such.

I posted a few days ago a statement about talking points. It appears there was an education campaign early on with anticipated results based upon a set of perceived conditions. It also appears the campaign intentionally failed to go far enough containing the many potential outcomes.

It's speculation to comment any further at this point. Now we wait.

You're understandably underestimating the level of communication given to the AirTran pilots by their Reps. They are very clear.

I think that SWAPA's reliance on "the many potential outcomes" has affected the way they are negotiating. Unfortunately.

We have a long way to go.

 

[bladeusa]

I don't expect swapa to vote for anything that keeps me at my relative seniority.. But don't expect me to vote for anything that staples me. If they can come to something between those 2 things at the table that is fair and equitable by all means bring it out to vote. If not.. let the process all parties agreed to work it self out. Including mediation & arbitration.

 

[SWAdude]

DV,

SWAPAs negotiating position (with SWA endorsement) is no SWA pilot will be harmed by this acquisition. SWA pilots cannot hope to achieve the same level of financial benefit the AAI pilots will receive but we can hope to be not be "harmed". Why would you seek arbitration if the outcome is not harmful to SWA pilots and is also beneficial financially to every AAI pilot?

Since there are inherent gains for the AAI pilot, SWA pilots think it is fair to have some gains themselves. Not equal gains, just some gains without harm to any SWA pilot.

I just wonder why it can not be seen by some that what is "Fair" and what is "Equitable" is for both sides. Most SWA pilots all agree that completely equal gains on both sides is difficult to achieve. The AAI pilots will almost certainly gain much more than the average SWA pilot. But there MUST be a gain to narrow the equality of this integration. As pilots, AAI brings no gains to the SWA pilots. The company brings a little international flying which all of the SWA pilots could give a rats a$$ about. There really is nothing the AAI pilots themselves bring to SWA pilots. We are talking contract to contract. Nothing. Zip. Nada. So all what SWA pilots, at a bare basic minimum are going to be certain of, no career potential harm will be brought to their pilots. And that in itself is not fair, or equitable with this integration. There deserves to be more.

 

[GoodTimes]

Last time I checked, we all get ONE vote. Like it or not, when this proposal from SWA management gets endorsed by the respective unions and goes out for a vote, it's likely to pass. The negotiated agreement from the pilot ranks will set the tone for the remainder of the work groups and their integrations. Arbitration is becoming less and less likely.

 

[Empennage]

You're understandably underestimating the level of communication given to the AirTran pilots by their Reps. They are very clear.

I think that SWAPA's reliance on "the many potential outcomes" has affected the way they are negotiating. Unfortunately.

We have a long way to go.

You know this how???????????

 

[PCL_128]

Why would you seek arbitration if the outcome is not harmful to SWA pilots and is also beneficial financially to every AAI pilot?

I don't know why you're talking about financial benefits. We aren't merging pay checks, we're merging seniority. The two have nothing to do with each other.

 

[PCL_128]

Like it or not, when this proposal from SWA management gets endorsed by the respective unions and goes out for a vote, it's likely to pass.

The AirTran MEC did not endorse the proposal. The Merger Committees are back at the bargaining table today.