SWAPA might like SWA proposal

[jball2]

Slaquer, thanks for your kind words! The feeling is mutual! BTW- did you get your commendation from Gary?

 

[Kharma Police]

You think too much of me. I'm not even shining their shoes yet brotha-
I appreciate the deference though.

Sonny was the mack with the ladies.....

 

[saabcaptain]

What is reserve like at SWA? Do they use you every day or do you sit at home ? Can you pick up extra flying over guarantee on your days off?

Reserve is IMHO one of the weakest parts of our contract but still darn good. Highlights:

1. Reserve lights pay 85/87/89 trips based on <30/30/31 day months.
2. Each day of reserve counts as 6 trips or the greater of what was flown and you can go over the guarantee.
3. You can pick up extra flying over guarantee on a day off, any day off flying does NOT go towards the guarantee so it is money in your pocket.
4. No more than 16 reserve working days in a 31 day month, 15 in a 30 or 29 month, 14 in a 28 month. (And a big pat on the back for our line holding guarentees, never more than 15 days scheduled in a month but MUST meet the overall average of no more than 13.45 in a 31 month, 13 in a 30, 12.55 in a 29, or 12.10 in a 28 day month, so you can see the average line is WAY under what you do at Airtran all with much more pay.)

 

[slaquer5]

Slaquer, thanks for your kind words! The feeling is mutual! BTW- did you get your commendation from Gary?

I did my brother and over 30 trips for that 2 day

 

[27 driver]

remember though, SWA will not stay the size it is in ATL for too long. There will probably be vacancies in ATL sooner than you think.

ATL will shrink in size. Apparently SWA bases size if domicile on amount of RON aircraft. It has to do with revenue on the early outbound aircraft.

 

[puddlejumper101]

ATL will shrink in size. Apparently SWA bases size if domicile on amount of RON aircraft. It has to do with revenue on the early outbound aircraft.

We shall see, with the amount of space and the fact that the network has to be connected between the two carriers, I bet it gets bigger. If anything, TPA and MCO might be the ones to shrink. Originators and terminators will make more $$$ out of ATL than MCO and TPA.

 

[27 driver]

We shall see, with the amount of space and the fact that the network has to be connected between the two carriers, I bet it gets bigger. If anything, TPA and MCO might be the ones to shrink. Originators and terminators will make more $$$ out of ATL than MCO and TPA.

I hope you are right but what I am hearing the actual base will be smaller than it is today. Down to around 850 pilots. There may be more flights per day but domicile size will be smaller. I am just line swine so I hope I am wrong.

 

[Empennage]

ATL will shrink in size. Apparently SWA bases size if domicile on amount of RON aircraft. It has to do with revenue on the early outbound aircraft.

Not to mention the difference in staffing levels

 

[slaquer5]

I hope you are right but what I am hearing the actual base will be smaller than it is today. Down to around 850 pilots. There may be more flights per day but domicile size will be smaller. I am just line swine so I hope I am wrong.

I doubt it will get smaller. Unlike other airlines SWA does not ron crews at a base. So at over 300 flights a day and ATL being on est. ,it will be much bigger. But again, I could be wrong. ( doubt it though).

 

[Daddy]

I agree with slaquer...no way does ATL shrink

 

[waveflyer]

I hope you are right but what I am hearing the actual base will be smaller than it is today. Down to around 850 pilots. There may be more flights per day but domicile size will be smaller. I am just line swine so I hope I am wrong.

Where are you hearing this from?

I got a few trannie friends that say a vote no campaign is already in the works headlined by none other than Fredo/PCL and disgruntled friends. In it is a lot of misinformation designed to highlight integration as a bad thing. (AlPA would never...)
Maybe this is coming from that?

PCL, what say you? You working the internal politics before the official details have even been released? It's your own AT line guys calling you out.

What's up brotha???

What's going to happen to ATL domicile is relevant and a fair question- I'll try to get a good answer. My feeling though is no way it gets smaller. It'll be a dynamic place as it transitions to swa, but no smaller.

 

[Beech Balls]

just relax AT guys....things at SWA are really nice....gone are your days of worrying about pay, days off, schedule flexibility, retirement, whether you'd have to take part in a picket line, whatever.
Just chill out and come over with a smile and enjoy the stability and beer we'll all be buying you!

 

[DougCorp-9]

Reserve is IMHO one of the weakest parts of our contract but still darn good. Highlights:

1. Reserve lights pay 85/87/89 trips based on <30/30/31 day months.
2. Each day of reserve counts as 6 trips or the greater of what was flown and you can go over the guarantee.
3. You can pick up extra flying over guarantee on a day off, any day off flying does NOT go towards the guarantee so it is money in your pocket.
4. No more than 16 reserve working days in a 31 day month, 15 in a 30 or 29 month, 14 in a 28 month. (And a big pat on the back for our line holding guarentees, never more than 15 days scheduled in a month but MUST meet the overall average of no more than 13.45 in a 31 month, 13 in a 30, 12.55 in a 29, or 12.10 in a 28 day month, so you can see the average line is WAY under what you do at Airtran all with much more pay.)

Thanks! I Suppose I could live with that. )))))))

 

[jonjuan]

just relax AT guys....things at SWA are really nice....gone are your days of worrying about pay, days off, schedule flexibility, retirement, whether you'd have to take part in a picket line, whatever.
Just chill out and come over with a smile and enjoy the stability and beer we'll all be buying you!

SO, just take a staple because everything is great. Even in this global downturn, things will continue to get better and will always be stable!

 

[roughneck]

SO, just take a staple because everything is great. Even in this global downturn, things will continue to get better and will always be stable!

Or you can roll the dice and see how the wholly owned 717 ops work out in this global downturn,

 

[waveflyer]

SO, just take a staple because everything is great. Even in this global downturn, things will continue to get better and will always be stable!

You part of that pre-ejaculate no campaign too, bra?

this industry has been predicting the downfall of SWA for long before I was in the airlines. you can join them if you like. but if SWA furloughs you- you'd have got furloughed at the former Air Tran too, and we'll all have bigger problems than our job.

 

[jonjuan]

You part of that pre-ejaculate no campaign too, bra?

this industry has been predicting the downfall of SWA for long before I was in the airlines. you can join them if you like. but if SWA furloughs you- you'd have got furloughed at the former Air Tran too, and we'll all have bigger problems than our job.

Reading comprehension certainly isn't your strong suite. Never predicted the downfall of anyone, however, assuming what has transpired in the past applies to the future is irrational thinking. I'm certain you once believed the "this is the last job you'll ever have" BS from the many alpa carriers you provided services to.

 

[Flycatcher99]

ATL will shrink in size. Apparently SWA bases size if domicile on amount of RON aircraft. It has to do with revenue on the early outbound aircraft.

This is completely contrary to what is being talked about over here. GK said that he thought ATL was a coup in the days and months following the announcement. This is from an interview with Gary shortly after the announced merger...

"I think the story here is about Atlanta. I think it is about us bringing more competition, bringing more low fares. We see a number of city (peer) opportunities to go in, lower fares, and stimulate traffic in classic Southwest fashion. I think Laura mentioned the (Campbell Hill) study that we reference in our press release where independently they have the same view. Actually their numbers were a lot more ambitious that ours. But we see very healthy passenger growth and with lower fares in and out of Atlanta.

So that’s the big opportunity here. I don't think there’s any secret about that. Now there will clearly be other opportunities for us to connect our networks together and grow traffic. So it is not just about Atlanta, but Atlanta’s where the big numbers are. [emphasis mine]

So the way to think about it - again there is very little overlap between Southwest and AirTran. Interestingly enough if you racked our - ranked our competitors, they’re the smallest. We actually have the smallest overlap with Atlanta which allows for taking their network, connecting it to our network. We’re four times, five times their size so there are a lot of places that we can add non-stop flights from the Southwest system into theirs."


Other quotes mentioned raising the number of cities served out of ATL from 70 to 100, as well as the extra business from adding SWA's cargo service, which AAI does not have. The word on the street was that there would be 300 flights/day there in the near future. I had heard comparisons to Denver, which is the fastest we have grown a city to date.

I don't know who is talking shrinking ATL, but I can't imagine it's a reputable rumor.

 

[waveflyer]

Reading comprehension certainly isn't your strong suite. Never predicted the downfall of anyone, however, assuming what has transpired in the past applies to the future is irrational thinking. I'm certain you once believed the "this is the last job you'll ever have" BS from the many alpa carriers you provided services to.

Actually no. I think furlough risk was on most of my class's brain. Bc one would usually experience a furlough at some point w/ a legacy and then you never know where life will take you. I always took those kind of lines w/ a grain of salt. I'll say I was naive in a lot of ways. Didn't consider swa bc of te contract at the time and bc I put international ops on a pedestal.

What I love about swa is that we don't believe it could never happen to us. I hate that entitled mentality. The "I've arrived" attitude, 'now it's time to coast'. That's one of our motivations every day and why we treat people so well every day. We're fighting for their business bc we want everyone to have a job.

 

[slaquer5]

Thanks! I Suppose I could live with that. )))))))

Brother PM when this all done and I will really tell you how to work the reserve. You will be racking in the cash and hardly flying.