SWAPA/ALPA negotiate settlement

[puddlejumper101]

I think that another agreement will be made prior to arbitration. I think the seat protections of the junior captains will be gone. Allowances for SW f/O's to upgrade and anger will be calmed. Nobody wants this to go to arbitration. Nobody wants to see the culture destroyed. This CAN be resolved fairly.

I hope you are right, I don't think anything good will come out of arbitration, reguardless of who gets a better deal. Binding or not, it will leave a scar the size of texas on this "culture". I don't fear arbitration for what it will or won't do for me, I fear arbitration because it means SWAPA, SWA, and ALPA left it out of their control. If SL-9 had not happened, then maybe arbitration would be accepted. But the minute ALPA and their FAB-7 (the Oracles of Airtran), voted SL-9 down without membership vote, the game changed. For the sake of the 1693 AT pilots (minus the FAB-7) and for the sake of this "culture" I hope it doesn't go to arbitration. If it does, one of the three mentioned (SWA, SWAPA, ALPA) will walk away not just upset, but furious. How do you intergrate a pilot group after that? It will seriously be a culture killer.

 

[Whataburger]

I hope you are right, I don't think anything good will come out of arbitration, reguardless of who gets a better deal. Binding or not, it will leave a scar the size of texas on this "culture". I don't fear arbitration for what it will or won't do for me, I fear arbitration because it means SWAPA, SWA, and ALPA left it out of their control. If SL-9 had not happened, then maybe arbitration would be accepted. But the minute ALPA and their FAB-7 (the Oracles of Airtran), voted SL-9 down without membership vote, the game changed. For the sake of the 1693 AT pilots (minus the FAB-7) and for the sake of this "culture" I hope it doesn't go to arbitration. If it does, one of the three mentioned (SWA, SWAPA, ALPA) will walk away not just upset, but furious. How do you intergrate a pilot group after that? It will seriously be a culture killer.

It's "Texas," not "texas."

 

[puddlejumper101]

Arbitration also presents a huge problem for SWA with every other union group on property. Long story short, arbitration is not the way to go. I think ALPA (not necessarily AT pilots) are determined to poison the well...why not? Question now is, what does SWA do about this? This goes against the "ONELUV" mantra to the core and SWA is not going to let that happen. If it truly wasn't that big a deal SWA MGMNT would have done what USAir MGMNT and DAL MGMT did...nothing. Why? Because both of those MGMNT groups could care less what happened after arbitration. SWA didn't do this...hence the problem.

 

[puddlejumper101]

It's "Texas," not "texas."

I know, cardinal sin...dang it

 

[Nindiri]

Actually, the proper name is Tejas. And soon, we will make it so again.

 

[Whataburger]

Actually, the proper name is Tejas. And soon, we will make it so again.

Questionable us of the verb. It is blurry if the proper tense is "made" vs. "make."

 

[puddlejumper101]

Questionable us of the verb. It is blurry if the proper tense is "made" vs. "make."

Couldn't resist my fellow co-worker, but I believe the word "us" has been improperly used in that sentence.

 

[Whataburger]

Yep!

Couldn't resist my fellow co-worker, but I believe the word "us" has been improperly used in that sentence.

Should I post where Texas public schools rank?

My bad, their's obviously two many letters in the word "use" for me to keep it together for three key stroaks. !Grasias!

 

[FlyinGuy]

It does not matter if your kids can spell. It matters if they can shoot straight!!!

 

[Fly4$]

I think that another agreement will be made prior to arbitration. I think the seat protections of the junior captains will be gone. Allowances for SW f/O's to upgrade and anger will be calmed. Nobody wants this to go to arbitration. Nobody wants to see the culture destroyed. This CAN be resolved fairly.

I hope the AT MC has the guts to put this on the table. I know it would pass. It just seems the logical way to come together without hurting each others' feelings. Sure the angry 12 would complain about it, but who the f%&k cares. they had their day 2 weeks ago.

 

[DougCorp-9]

Give me realistic seniority and you can have my left seat. At DOH I still lose quite a bit but at least everyone would be on a level playing field.

 

[Ty Webb]

I hope the AT MC has the guts to put this on the table. I know it would pass. It just seems the logical way to come together without hurting each others' feelings. Sure the angry 12 would complain about it, but who the f%&k cares. they had their day 2 weeks ago.

If you want to make posts against your own team, Tokyo Joe, perhaps you ought to get your facts straight.

We did propose giving up some junior CA seats, about 250 of them. SWA management did not want that to happen because of all of the training events it would trigger, as displaced 737 CA bid 717CA, displaced 717CA bid 737FO, etc.

What are you, anyway, a March 2010 hire? You have a whopping 14 months on the line at AAI, and you're the expert. :laugh:

 

[GuppyWN]

If you want to make posts against your own team, Tokyo Joe, perhaps you ought to get your facts straight.

We did propose giving up some junior CA seats, about 250 of them. SWA management did not want that to happen because of all of the training events it would trigger, as displaced 737 CA bid 717CA, displaced 717CA bid 737FO, etc.

What are you, anyway, a March 2010 hire? You have a whopping 14 months on the line at AAI, and you're the expert. :laugh:

Hmmmm, tastes like chicken!

Gup

 

[airlinepilot]

Clearly ALPA didn't want a deal since they were unwilling to extend the time line......

 

[Fubijaakr]

Actually, the proper name is Tejas. And soon, we will make it so again.

Actually, the proper name is....Mexico.