SWAPA/ALPA negotiate settlement

[The Victors]

Are you suggesting that SWAPA is not negotiating in good faith. This would be very disappointing. Not only would it look bad to a mediator or arbitrator, but more importantly, it would speak volumes about the character of the SWAPA negotiating team.

That's the stupidest thing I've read in weeks. Thanks, got a good laugh.

 

[The Victors]

Is "stupidest" a word?

 

[redflyer65]

and have indicated a certain amount of irritation at SC for turning the whole thing ugly.

A complete lie. There hasn't been anyone on the internal board upset with Steve. As a matter of fact, I'd say most pilots are fully behind him after the meeting with Gary.

ALPA on the other hand is in a rock and hard place. Coming off as an entiled group that wants all the seniority they can get and all monetary gains of the SWAPA contract.

RF

 

[GuppyWN]

I'm glad you're willing to discuss it, Guppy, but you need to leave the name-calling to the children.

So what is the status now for SWAPA? Do you think that the SWA pilots will allow them to move off their earlier promise and negotiate something closer to a fair integration? Some of the more senior SWA pilots I've talked with don't seem to think so, and have indicated a certain amount of irritation at SC for turning the whole thing ugly.

OK.... I'll bite. SWAPA didn't promise a staple and you know it. You're just trying to incite.

Secondly, Why should SWAPA "give" more? Your MEC pissed away ALL the cash and incentives that Gary included. Now you want ME to subsidize your idiocy?

I'm having a hard time with that.

Fair enough?

Gup

 

[Bake]

I will bite too. At has received its best offer. They turned it down. Any other offer after that will be less. If the next one is turned down, it will be less again. and so on. This is only my opinion but I think it is backed up with years of experience. what do you do? I know, I'm fear mongering. yeah, that's it.

 

[Nindiri]

OK.... I'll bite. SWAPA didn't promise a staple and you know it. You're just trying to incite.

Secondly, Why should SWAPA "give" more? Your MEC pissed away ALL the cash and incentives that Gary included. Now you want ME to subsidize your idiocy?

I'm having a hard time with that.

Fair enough?

Gup

Yes, SWAPA promised a staple or near-staple. This is an established fact.

The question, then, is what will SWAPA do now. If, as you say, SWA pilots refuse to accept anything less, then how can SWAPA negotiate further? And if they aren't willing to negotiate in good faith, why did they invite AT to further "negotiations" this week?

 

[GuppyWN]

Doesn't matter.

Your MC just emailed you that they will NOT be coming to Dallas this week to even try.

Guess we'll see you in court.

Gup

 

[jonjuan]

I will bite too. At has received its best offer. They turned it down. Any other offer after that will be less. If the next one is turned down, it will be less again. and so on. This is only my opinion but I think it is backed up with years of experience. what do you do? I know, I'm fear mongering. yeah, that's it.

Good luck with that. You can't fix stupid.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Nope, not a troll. I've been very polite here when discussing the integration, and have never made it personal. On the other hand, SWA pilots on this board have called me dishonest and a moron, and even threatened me.

That's all they have. Fear and loathing.

There you go again, Guppy. Instead of discussing the issue rationally, you once again resort to personal insults. The list of insults and threats from SWA pilots on here continues to grow.

Again, I just wish Mr. Kelly could see how his "culture" is represented here. I believe a couple SWA f/os would be looking for work if he could.

 

[Bake]

SWAPA dudes and dudettes. If you wanna fight, fight me. I'm one of you. get the freak off of these forums and we can fight it out in the parking lot. What are we thinking. Leave it alone. Go get laid, drunk, drunk and laid, whatever. But get off of flightinfo and any other site that leads you to these discussions. PLEASE.

 

[Fubijaakr]

But get off of flightinfo and any other site that leads you to these discussions. PLEASE.

Listen to Bake. Shove your arrogance where the sun doesn't shine. You look like jackdonkeys.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Kharma Police

It's funny how you disappeared then voila!! Up pops Fubijaakr!!!

Schizophrenia is a wonderful affliction. You never run out of friends to talk to!!
(just for you!!)

 

[sooner01]

i know im no expert given my experience level but from what i see the airtran guys are in a tough spot. the southwest guys offer a low offer that almost certainly will be turned down. as stated earlier the offers from here will be lower and lower which of course guarantees that it goes to arbitration. as soon as the seniority list is published the southwest guys move to cut the pay, vacation, and sick time of the airtran guys until their position becomes untenable. this is brilliant.

 

[canyonblue]

Is "stupidest" a word?

Yeah, in Japanese it means Fubijaakr. :nuts: :laugh:

 

[OldManPilot]

I think that another agreement will be made prior to arbitration. I think the seat protections of the junior captains will be gone. Allowances for SW f/O's to upgrade and anger will be calmed. Nobody wants this to go to arbitration. Nobody wants to see the culture destroyed. This CAN be resolved fairly.

 

[puddlejumper101]

I think that another agreement will be made prior to arbitration. I think the seat protections of the junior captains will be gone. Allowances for SW f/O's to upgrade and anger will be calmed. Nobody wants this to go to arbitration. Nobody wants to see the culture destroyed. This CAN be resolved fairly.

I hope you are right, I don't think anything good will come out of arbitration, reguardless of who gets a better deal. Binding or not, it will leave a scar the size of texas on this "culture". I don't fear arbitration for what it will or won't do for me, I fear arbitration because it means SWAPA, SWA, and ALPA left it out of their control. If SL-9 had not happened, then maybe arbitration would be accepted. But the minute ALPA and their FAB-7 (the Oracles of Airtran), voted SL-9 down without membership vote, the game changed. For the sake of the 1693 AT pilots (minus the FAB-7) and for the sake of this "culture" I hope it doesn't go to arbitration. If it does, one of the three mentioned (SWA, SWAPA, ALPA) will walk away not just upset, but furious. How do you intergrate a pilot group after that? It will seriously be a culture killer.

 

[Whataburger]

I hope you are right, I don't think anything good will come out of arbitration, reguardless of who gets a better deal. Binding or not, it will leave a scar the size of texas on this "culture". I don't fear arbitration for what it will or won't do for me, I fear arbitration because it means SWAPA, SWA, and ALPA left it out of their control. If SL-9 had not happened, then maybe arbitration would be accepted. But the minute ALPA and their FAB-7 (the Oracles of Airtran), voted SL-9 down without membership vote, the game changed. For the sake of the 1693 AT pilots (minus the FAB-7) and for the sake of this "culture" I hope it doesn't go to arbitration. If it does, one of the three mentioned (SWA, SWAPA, ALPA) will walk away not just upset, but furious. How do you intergrate a pilot group after that? It will seriously be a culture killer.

It's "Texas," not "texas."

 

[puddlejumper101]

Arbitration also presents a huge problem for SWA with every other union group on property. Long story short, arbitration is not the way to go. I think ALPA (not necessarily AT pilots) are determined to poison the well...why not? Question now is, what does SWA do about this? This goes against the "ONELUV" mantra to the core and SWA is not going to let that happen. If it truly wasn't that big a deal SWA MGMNT would have done what USAir MGMNT and DAL MGMT did...nothing. Why? Because both of those MGMNT groups could care less what happened after arbitration. SWA didn't do this...hence the problem.

 

[puddlejumper101]

It's "Texas," not "texas."

I know, cardinal sin...dang it

 

[Nindiri]

Actually, the proper name is Tejas. And soon, we will make it so again.