SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[Kharma Police]

It would have been implemented, because we had a Process Agreement that required it. AAA/AWA? Not so much. Their agreement only required implementation after a JCBA.

This has all been debated for a couple of years now, and your concerns all answered. You should have been paying better attention before you voted away your rights and your seniority.

Airtight language, huh? Sure.....

Anyway, like you said it's all been debated and it's over. Besides, you're leaving soon so you have no skin in the game.

 

[PCL_128]

Besides, you're leaving soon so you have no skin in the game.

True, no skin in the game, which is why I'm not posting here nearly as much as I used to. But someone still needs to refute the nonsense from the likes of maxblast, lest people consider it fact instead of the deranged rantings of a sociopath.

 

[bluesideup1]

Max, every day you make it more clear that you should have never been entrusted with proprietary or confidential information of any sort.

The fact that you think it is appropriate to post this stuff here shows not only very poor judgement, but a pathological neuroses. Hopefully, you'll make it across the partition before you lose it completely. . . . At least you'll make more on disability over there.

I find it funny that when maxblast makes a post then backs it up with evidence to the contrary of what you and PCL are saying that you some how find it inappropriate to post. Maybe if you would stop spouting B.S. he wouldn't have to post those "top secret" memos.

 

[Kenney G]

Ok, you didn't like or trust the MEC Secretary/Treasurer. I will give you a quote from our former Communications Chair who I know you think is a smart guy (who later became the ATN MEC Chair). The email I am quoting is in response to the August 1, 2011 LEC blast that you ghost wrote for the LEC Chair. This email was part of Plaintiffs Exhibit #12 introduced during the Merger Committee Chair's deposition:

"Okay.. since we haven’t gotten a response, I’ll go ahead and try to help.

Bxxxxxx (ATN Contract Administrator) doesn’t approve LEC messages, so technically, he didn’t approve this one either. Did he, however, say you should remove the quote. Yes or no? If yes, why?

This isn’t a question as to whether you [FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]believe [/FONT][/FONT]or [FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]feel [/FONT][/FONT]or [FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]think [/FONT][/FONT]that Kelly is bluffing. This is a question of whether you are willing to bend the facts Kelly’s full statement) to support that belief, and whether you’re willing to mislead the pilot group by postulating your [FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]belief, feeling or thought [/FONT][/FONT]as fact. That is essentially what you have done.

To put it more plainly, it is one thing to say that you [FONT=Calibri,Calibri][FONT=Calibri,Calibri]believe [/FONT][/FONT]that Kelly was bluffing during the meeting ; it is another to deny the bluff happened altogether, and to bend Kelly’s words to support that statement.

Furthermore, as we all know, Gary Kelly repeated dozens of times in front of dozens of people that all bets are off in arbitration. You may recall that at 09:56am Gary Kelly said, "I don’t have to integrate these carriers." I remember that moment vividly because it is when you chose to stand behind your chair. You didn’t share that with the pilots; in fact, you told them in blanket fashion that no such statements were made at all. Some day they may wonder why.

Finally, in the interest of full disclosure, Anthony did try calling me immediately after I sent my last message. I did not answer the phone because I believe everyone needs to be a part of this conversation"

Why don't you just subpoena Gary Kelly to give a deposition. He can state for the record under oath that he had no intention to integrate the two airlines if it went to arbitration. You would win your lawsuit hands down case closed. This way you would win a large settlement. Then again that might destroy your case all together. The emails you post are just opinions, no facts.

 

[PCL_128]

Why don't you just subpoena Gary Kelly to give a deposition. He can state for the record under oath that he had no intention to integrate the two airlines if it went to arbitration. You would win your lawsuit hands down case closed. This way you would win a large settlement. Then again that might destroy your case all together. The emails you post are just opinions, no facts.

I'd love to see that!

 

[Ty Webb]

I find it funny that when maxblast makes a post then backs it up with evidence to the contrary of what you and PCL are saying that you some how find it inappropriate to post. Maybe if you would stop spouting B.S. he wouldn't have to post those "top secret" memos.

It's very easy to cherry pick stuff out of context. Reposting confidential stuff on a forum like this is an incredible breech of trust and serious lapse in judgement.

Notice that the other three members of that committee haven't felt the need to act in this manner, and no one is blaming them. This braying jackass is drawing this attention to himself. It is a situation entirely of his own making.

 

[Parethd70]

After reading page upon page of this debate and seeing certain individuals spout over and over again that we had protection from: our contract, the process agreement, M-B, etc. one thing comes to mind. These people have not seen what a determined "management" can do against pretty much any "labor" group. One of the loudest naysayers was but a cherubic 19 year old back in 2001. The aftermath of which we still have not recovered from today as an industry and a labor group.

 

[maxblast72]

Since the emails are all stored on the ALPA server, they can disagree all they want, but facts are facts.

If ALPA has all the emails on the server, how come they haven't produced any emails from Slick or Big Sis during the discovery process? ALPA produced thousands of email from the other MEC reps, MEC officers, and MC members (over 300,000 pages of documents total). Seems kind of fishy to have so many emails but none from Slick or Big Sis.

 

[maxblast72]

The emails you post are just opinions.

In my opinion, more AirTran pilots trusted the former Communication Chair/MEC Chair more than Slick. What is wrong with having the Communication Chair's opinion out in the open? That is what discovery is all about.

 

[PCL_128]

If ALPA has all the emails on the server, how come they haven't produced any emails from Slick or Big Sis during the discovery process? ALPA produced thousands of email from the other MEC reps, MEC officers, and MC members (over 300,000 pages of documents total). Seems kind of fishy to have so many emails but none from Slick or Big Sis.

Don't know. Sounds like a question for ALPA.

 

[PCL_128]

What is wrong with having the Communication Chair's opinion out in the open?

Nothing...as long as he's the one choosing to do it, and not you.

 

[maxblast72]

Notice that the other three members of that committee haven't felt the need to act in this manner.

What planet were you living on in early 2012? The Merger Committee Vice Chair and PCL128 went round and round on the AirTran forum about SIA #1/#2 for weeks.

We captured the whole discussion. The ALPA attorneys were thrilled to see all those discussions in print during the first 4 depositions. I am sure Lee Moak is glad PCL128 is out there running his mouth on public forums all day long. That keeps ALPA's exposure to a minimum.

 

[madjack]

You guys need your forum back...

 

[maxblast72]

Don't know. Sounds like a question for ALPA.

Or possibly a question for the judge.

 

[waveflyer]

You guys need your forum back...

Agreed.

And mark it down. I agree with PCL and Ty. This type of internal union issue ought not be on display for thousands of anonymous to read- its just an ineffective attempt to get this judged by public opinion- which is fairly worthless-
Better to keep this in the circle, however neurotic and weird your circle is and was.