SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[vixin]

Don't give up fellas! Keep debating this. I know eventually someone will be the clear winner.
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You already do. The AAI pilots. PCL AAI couldn't afford higher rates and $80+ pbl oil and a strong Delta. You need to stop celebrating 420. I am sure you were 3 weeks away from working only Wed. making $300,000 per year 5 week vac and all the White Castle you can eat.

 

[27 driver]

not worth it

 

[redflyer65]

Funny how you will only quote the old contract rates. Those rates have been gone for 3 years.

Ever heard of a 'snapshop' when an acquisition is announced? That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't know what you contract was on the date of announcement, then maybe you need to review the facts.

 

[27 driver]

Ever heard of a 'snapshop' when an acquisition is announced? That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't know what you contract was on the date of announcement, then maybe you need to review the facts.

I wasn't talking about arbitration. I was talking about pay rates. Nothing more. Maybe you need to review reading comprehension. The fact is none of us know how arbitration would have turned out.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Snapshot. Get it? You whiners need to STFU. You are making the rest of your very cool pilot group look bad. Hope you're "safety" campaign goes swimmingly.

 

[-9Capt]

Ever heard of a 'snapshop' when an acquisition is announced? That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't know what you contract was on the date of announcement, then maybe you need to review the facts.

If the contract "snapshot" was was such a meaningful factor in the outcome of arbitration, then why the need for threats and ultimatums? AT would have likely done significantly better in arbitration and everyone but a few SW prima-donna types know that. Whatever dude.

 

[-9Capt]

You whiners need to STFU. You are making the rest of your very cool pilot group look bad.

Yeah, it's us that's doing that...

 

[PCL_128]

Ever heard of a 'snapshop' when an acquisition is announced? That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't know what you contract was on the date of announcement, then maybe you need to review the facts.

The snapshot date deals with seniority lists, not with contracts. And even that date is usually up for debate.

 

[27 driver]

Snapshot. Get it? You whiners need to STFU. You are making the rest of your very cool pilot group look bad. Hope you're "safety" campaign goes swimmingly.

Pot meet kettle. No wonder SWA pilots have the reputation they have. You ****************************** bags need to stop acting better than everyone else. Once again for the challenged among us, PAY RATES. Pure and simple. Believe it or not the sun doesn't revolve around SWAPA pilots.

 

[redflyer65]

If the contract "snapshot" was was such a meaningful factor in the outcome of arbitration, then why the need for threats and ultimatums? AT would have likely done significantly better in arbitration and everyone but a few SW prima-donna types know that. Whatever dude.

Gary wanted the deal done, he got it done. I'm not going to defend his actions but I guess he got the results he wanted relatively quickly.

On your side of the fence, ALPA's only game plan was to run straight to arbitration. That was a horrible game plan.

I'm out.

 

[PCL_128]

On your side of the fence, ALPA's only game plan was to run straight to arbitration. That was a horrible game plan.

Well, that wasn't their game plan at all. But if it had been, it would have been a fine game plan, if the pilots weren't so scared of their own shadows.

 

[-9Capt]

Gary wanted the deal done, he got it done. I'm not going to defend his actions but I guess he got the results he wanted relatively quickly.

On your side of the fence, ALPA's only game plan was to run straight to arbitration. That was a horrible game plan.

I'm out.

So ALPA should have disregarded the will of its dues paying membership and capitulated to the demands of SWAPA and Gary Kelly?

Absent arbitration, the only option would have been accepting a less than favorable SLI. ALPA did what the majority of the membership was telling them to do. The first agreement was an insult and it was rightfully rejected by the MEC. For some reason GK feels he has a right to influence our union proceedings and was insulted when he didn't get his way. That was when he picked up a big stick. Screw him and his airline.

 

[PCL_128]

For some reason GK feels he has a right to influence our union proceedings and was insulted when he didn't get his way.

He wasn't offended. And he did get his way. The whole AIP1 fiasco was engineered from the start to lead to a failed vote. He knew that no pilot group in its right mind would accept that horrendous deal. So he threw a bunch of veiled threats at an inexperienced and gullible MC to get them to bring it back to the MEC who he knew would reject it. Then, he feigned offense and used that rejection as an excuse to take the money off the table that he never intended to pay anyway.

Gary is a genius. An evil genius, but a genius nonetheless.

 

[-9Capt]

well, that wasn't their game plan at all. But if it had been, it would have been a fine game plan, if the pilots weren't so scared of their own shadows.

a-m-e-n

 

[redflyer65]

He wasn't offended. And he did get his way. The whole AIP1 fiasco was engineered from the start to lead to a failed vote. He knew that no pilot group in its right mind would accept that horrendous deal. So he threw a bunch of veiled threats at an inexperienced and gullible MC to get them to bring it back to the MEC who he knew would reject it. Then, he feigned offense and used that rejection as an excuse to take the money off the table that he never intended to pay anyway.

Gary is a genius. An evil genius, but a genius nonetheless.

Somehow Gary was able to hypnotize your Merger Committee into playing along? The very committee that the MEC put together?


Completely manufactured? Wow. Queue the black helicopters PCL. I think you might be delusional.

 

[PCL_128]

Somehow Gary was able to hypnotize your Merger Committee into playing along? The very committee that the MEC put together?

Hypnotize? I wish it would have been that difficult to pull the wool over maxblast's eyes.

I think you might be delusional.

That's ok. We know you are.

 

[madjack]

Wow, u really believe your new boss cooked up SL9 just so the MEC would vote it down?

Anyway, if the evil genius is really motivated to do bad things to AAI pilots, then why not stay out of it, let the arbitrator decide how to integrate 1700 trannys that are bringing 50 airplanes to the deal....you have a job, be thankful...

 

[madjack]

"Gullible MC, scared membership" just because u wanted to gamble with your career, doesn't mean the MC or the membership wanted to...you said earlier you did not value a career at SWA, you had nothing to lose, and to malign everyone, especially your fellow "scared" pilots in public is a really showing your colors...

 

[PCL_128]

"Gullible MC, scared membership" just because u wanted to gamble with your career, doesn't mean the MC or the membership wanted to...you said earlier you did not value a career at SWA, you had nothing to lose, and to malign everyone, especially your fellow "scared" pilots in public is a really showing your colors...

I didn't, and still don't, consider it a "gamble."

 

[K-Mart]

Here's a question.....Why did Kelly want the SLI done so quickly?