SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[Just thinking]

they built it they have every right to complain. They made the sacrifices during the hard time. they have a much better perspective on the degradation of the work ethic. They didn't get anything out of this merger either.

 

[waveflyer]

I think this article relates to your dream job. Or maybe your hero, I don't know which.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/labor_big_real_heavy_sleeper_jl3C7gI710FI3XqpEl5o3O

Hahaha-
Great find-
PCL- .... Don't end up like this guy, I fear it for you

 

[waveflyer]

Well, I'm completely with you about how LOOONNNGGG this thing is taking- I have no idea why the integration needs to take 3 years-
Other initiatives- ok- but to integrate AT? Why can't we do it faster?- we are doing damage to our culture by dragging this out and I have been vocal about that to people who matter-

As for ISL-
You proved my point- you think it's mainstream to think you could get seniority that improves where you'd be at your date of hire when you got bought by a better company with a superior career- - one where dozens upon dozens gave up all their air tran seniority to start at the bottom while no SWA pilot made the same choice-
Seriously- DOH was your worst case scenario?
Sorry- that wasnt going to happen- cry in your wheaties all you want- it wasnt real.

That unrealistic expectation is the cause of your discontent with the SLI - nothing else- it's an immature greedy viewpoint.

And viewpoints like that do tend to make one less happy.

But I do wish we could get you integrated faster- much faster

LOL,

I will be your Huckleberry.

5%-15% increase. In the middle of the list pilots lost upwards of 35% seniority. As you move up and down the list from the middle that 5%-15% can get less.

I consider this a conservative number because mainstream opinion is that an arbitrator would have give us at the max a 12% average lose in seniority. Not an average of 22%. When I say mainstream I mean what others say looking in. Your piers.

Much of the anger now is how SWA management is handling things after the agreement. And that would be all the violations of it.

Also what we are seeing is the theme of this OP verified.

 

[redflyer65]

Wrong. The problem is that you only place value on money. I place value on QOL and other intangibles. To me, a career at SWA was pretty much devoid of value. That's why I never applied. I didn't want to commute, and I didn't want to live in any SWA bases. To me, that made a career at SWA worthless. Add in the quick-turn style flying, the high block months, etc., it just wasn't anything I wanted anything to do with. That's not to say that it doesn't have value....to someone else. It just doesn't have any value to me. AirTran, on the other hand, did.

In your opinion, Southwest was devoid of value? Your welcome to your opinion but that would probably put you around .0001% that believed anything like that. Like 1 pilot in 10,000. Proven by people that would give their arm, leg, etc to work here. Again, you have a right to that opinion and I respect that.

Southwest has 10 bases (ATL being one of them) to choose from scattered across the country and plenty of choices to chose from. AirTran had 1 real base and two mini-bases basically in the same time zone....MKE being the farthest west base, if you can call that west.

So AirTran was your dream job. Had everything you wanted....live in base, potential quick upgrade, and bad pay and work rules in both seats. I'm sorry your CEO decided to pull the golden parachute and sell you. Thousands of people wish they had your opportunity to be at SW. Good luck in your new career...it will probably be better than being at here and being miserable.

 

[-9Capt]

Who says that one was right and the others were not?

Maxduche72 says so, therefore it must be.

This guy is prob the least respected pilot on the AT list right now. Just keep that in mind.

 

[JT12345]

Well, I'm completely with you about how LOOONNNGGG this thing is taking- I have no idea why the integration needs to take 3 years-
Other initiatives- ok- but to integrate AT? Why can't we do it faster?- we are doing damage to our culture by dragging this out and I have been vocal about that to people who matter-

As for ISL-
You proved my point- you think it's mainstream to think you could get seniority that improves where you'd be at your date of hire when you got bought by a better company with a superior career- - one where dozens upon dozens gave up all their air tran seniority to start at the bottom while no SWA pilot made the same choice-
Seriously- DOH was your worst case scenario?
Sorry- that wasnt going to happen- cry in your wheaties all you want- it wasnt real.

That unrealistic expectation is the cause of your discontent with the SLI - nothing else- it's an immature greedy viewpoint.

And viewpoints like that do tend to make one less happy.

But I do wish we could get you integrated faster- much faster

Where the fek did I write DOH. Can u read? Did you read the whole message cause I spoke about percentages and average gains from arbitration. Actually what most of your piers would consider maximum average loss of seniority.

 

[madjack]

Loss of seniority at AAI....DOH -2.5-3.5 years but keep longevity, and a free type if u need one, stable future, better contract, more lucrative career, etc, etc....doesn't sound so bad...especially when 65% of the fleet is heading to DL...

 

[JT12345]

stable future.

LMAO

Not from what I am seeing, and experiencing so far.

All I see are unions out of control like the legacies redux pre bankruptcy. A management team that can't adapt quickly, and a company losing its competitive edge. Just because you are making money does not mean others are less competitive and not closing the competitive gaps. Making money does not mean things don't need to be better and more competitive. I am really worried about a 20+ year there and the way things are going so should you. So far the only thing still keeping it a float is that you own most of your airplanes, and you can leverage those assets. The company was built right from the ground up decades ago till recently.

There is more concern over doing someone else's job instead of getting the job done.
The employees have bloated, and selfish contracts promoting abuse that are far from competitive.
The only hope is that things stay flat while the rest of the industry catches up the next few years with inflation and gains from previous cuts of 40% during bankruptcy. I am not just talking about the pilots and the money cartels. From what I hear everyone is milking the cow and she is almost out of milk. I say this because i care about the future there. I want a future there. Why shouldn't I?

Now don't start saying I am anti union. Far from it. But being Pro union does not mean you should be anti company does it?

 

[madjack]

Yhgtbsm!!! Your saying SWA is doomed because of bloated labor and it's non-adaptive business model.,,dude, put down the pipe and tell me which legacy is going to put us under, or do u think Spirit has our number...lowest cost in majors, best spread sheet, heck give us at least one money losing quarter b4 u write us off...and the AAI debt is put to rest, that was a big t$&d to swallow...

 

[vixin]

Where do you think AAI would be then? High debt, your supper contract you would have gotten after the strike, limited cash, limited assets, oil above $80 pbl and of course a stronger Delta and a strong SWA ready to eliminate AAI. I forget AAI had orders. Ha! AAI was the powers house that was much better situated then poor broke SWA. You may want to do some research so you don't sound so stupid.

 

[JT12345]

Never said SWA is doomed or writing you guys off. I am talking about the direction the company needs to take and where the current attitudes are taking SWA in the future. Just because something works does not mean it is not broke or needs to be improved. One of the reasons SWA is not competed with is because there are other airlines in worse shape and easier targets. Btw you bought the only company giving you any real competition. You can give up small gains now or larger ones later. It has happened before in Airline history and is a broken record. And I am not just talking about pilots.

Hey Vixen. If AAI was so feked up why didnt GK wait for us to just go bankrupt? So much for that logic of yours.

 

[vixin]

Do some research it will educate you. AAI wasn't in the best shape. So answer my above question. How well off was AAI? It wasn't. You guys would have been booming the last couple of years I am sure of it. Where would AAI be if it wasn't bought? Don't be delusional either. Get facts and objectively educate yourself.

 

[JT12345]

Where would it be. Funny. It would still be taking on SWA in major markets and thorn in the side. Your so called facts are exaggerated in an industry like this that hands investors and employees their shirts on a regular basis.

So better yet tell me where you think SWA is going since you have a crystal ball????????

 

[intooclose]

I think to compare AT and SWA is like comparing a too ripe banana vs. a sweet perfectly ripe Georgia peach. One maybe has potential while one is juuust right. Or better yet like comparing a torpedo boat to an aircraft carrier. Yes, the torpedo boat can cause some damage and turn on a dime. But, once the aircraft carrier gets turned into the wind, launches the fighters and mans the battle stations, which can take some time, can bring massive firepower to bear on anybody. It can handle much rougher seas and take care of its crew much better than the torpedo boat.

 

[737tanker]

If AAI was so feked up why didnt GK wait for us to just go bankrupt? So much for that logic of yours.

He tried that with USAir in PHL and he is still waiting.